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Windows 7: Confusion - Install W7 on 2nd logical drive

13 Mar 2011   #11
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Bare Foot Kid View Post
No one is disputing any of that, of course the clean command leaves a HDD as unallocated space but neither clean nor format, full or quick, or delete, over-writes data as a clean all does and that leaves room for errors to creep in and that does happen.

There have been many instances where the only way forward was a clean all, over-write all existing data, especially when Linux (not relevant in this case) has been installed to the HDD previously.
As always when you want to insure nothing could be remaining the only option is to zero fill a drive nowadays done with something like the open source tool eraser. Binary 0s are written repeatedly to a drive. The absolute of a drive in that sense.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by spinifex View Post


Had some cd/dvd driver issues, like, could not find one. Had this been a desktop comp, i could use the mobo disk, but notebooks with the pre-installed OS confuse the hell out of me.
The copied pic above is what i successfully accomplished.
Did a reboot Below is the boot order.
First is cd/dvd.
Second is HDD #2, which has the Windows 7 partition. (D:/).
Third is HDD #1, which is the vista one. (C:/).
(Vista still works, than goodness.)

Attached is a shot of the computer management. Guess, sofar, so good.
Trying to get around the driver issue, i must have done something wrong, as now i get a (unwanted) message: "Bootmgr is missing".....gggrrrrrr.

Where to from here please???
When going to install 7 did you boot live from the dvd or run the installer while booted in Vista?

If you are now trying to boot from the second drive there won't be any mbr or boot files present since they went onto the first drive from the start. That's where the Windows installer always looks for.

This is why I had suggested unplugging the first to first see a clean install as a stand alone making the second drive bootable and then later having the option for adding a boot entry into the 7 BDC for Vista where you can set which will be the default OS as well.


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13 Mar 2011   #12
gregrocker

 

Hopefully you booted the Win7 DVD to install so that each OS will see itself as C when within it. If not Win7 will retain D while in Win7, not a problem unless you prefer C.

With a laptop it's harder for OP to unplug the HD so we try to avoid it. Configuring a Windows-managed Dual Boot is easiest here, although to later remove Vista you'll need to mark Win7 active and run Startup Repair from DVD up to 3 times with reboots to write the System boot files to Win7.

What makes you think you need drivers? Once in Win7, enable hardware auto-updating then check optional Updates for newer drivers. Any missing thereafter can be found on the Support Downloads webpage for your model computer or device.
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13 Mar 2011   #13
spinifex

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
As always when you want to insure nothing could be remaining the only option is to zero fill a drive nowadays done with something like the open source tool eraser. Binary 0s are written repeatedly to a drive. The absolute of a drive in that sense.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by spinifex View Post

Had some cd/dvd driver issues, like, could not find one. Had this been a desktop comp, i could use the mobo disk, but notebooks with the pre-installed OS confuse the hell out of me.
Did a reboot Below is the boot order.
First is cd/dvd.
Second is HDD #2, which has the Windows 7 partition. (D:/).
Third is HDD #1, which is the vista one. (C:/).
(Vista still works, than goodness.)

Attached is a shot of the computer management. Guess, sofar, so good.
Trying to get around the driver issue, i must have done something wrong, as now i get a (unwanted) message: "Bootmgr is missing".....gggrrrrrr.

Where to from here please???
When going to install 7 did you boot live from the dvd or run the installer while booted in Vista?

If you are now trying to boot from the second drive there won't be any mbr or boot files present since they went onto the first drive from the start. That's where the Windows installer always looks for.

This is why I had suggested unplugging the first to first see a clean install as a stand alone making the second drive bootable and then later having the option for adding a boot entry into the 7 BDC for Vista where you can set which will be the default OS as well.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Set Vista HD as first HD to boot in BIOS setup (after DVD drive) as it should contain the System boot files for both OS's if Win7 installer configured Dual Boot correctly. If not, install EasyBCD 2.02 to Vista to Add Win7 on the Add OS tab.

Hopefully you booted the Win7 DVD to install so that each OS will see itself as C when within it. If not Win7 will retain D while in Win7, not a problem unless you prefer C.

With a laptop it's harder for OP to unplug the HD so we try to avoid it. Configuring a Windows-managed Dual Boot is easiest here, although to later remove Vista you'll need to mark Win7 active and run Startup Repair from DVD up to 3 times with reboots to write the System boot files to Win7.

What makes you think you need drivers? Once in Win7, enable hardware auto-updating then check optional Updates for newer drivers. Any missing thereafter can be found on the Support Downloads webpage for your model computer or device.
@Night Hawk

I booted from the DVD, trying not to interfere with Vista on C drive. (i was running scared, in case i made a mess of Vista).

@gregrocker

When trying to install the new OS onto D drive, the install stopped and stated i needed a CD/DVD driver. On the screen i had an option to search folders to find the "missing driver".

Since i could not find one, things went down hill from there.
The Handbrake has installed XP on quite a few comps, but has never done a dual boot set up, so she is a bit lost too. (She is self taught also).

We both have a lot to learn, reading the replies. Never had to deal with anything like this.

@profdlp

No shortage of memory sticks here, Steve.
Trying to find the correct drivers for this notebook, now that is another story.
It is about 4 yrs old, and makes it a bit more difficult.

I will now spend time reading and clicking links in the replies, to see where to go from here.
So much to learn, so little time.

Thanks again to all who are putting time aside to help me with my problem, or at least, misunderstanding of how it needs to be done..

Jon
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13 Mar 2011   #14
theog

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

ME/XP/Vista/Win7
 
 

Most of the time Windows will class, the 2nd HD on a Notebook as a Exterial HD
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13 Mar 2011   #15
spinifex

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by theog View Post
Most of the time Windows will class, the 2nd HD on a Notebook as a Exterial HD
Was not aware of that, as to date, this has not happened to me.
Learn something new every day.

Problem at my age is, i learn one thing, but forget two.
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13 Mar 2011   #16
gregrocker

 

Hi Jon -

Are you booting the DVD to try install to D?

If so and you get the error message, can you try install from a flash stick? Easiest is to install UltraISO trial version, on File tab Open ISO, on Bootable tab Write Disk Image, Format, Write. Boot under USB or HD's on one-time BIOS Boot Menu.

If this fails as well, look in BIOS setup for a way to disable DISK0 during install, set DISK1 as first HD to boot in BIOS setup, after DVD or USB drive.

If as theog suggests, your second HD is being viewed as External it may block install for this reason alone. In that case, would you want to consider shrinking Vista to install Win7 on DISK0, then move your User folders to DISK1 where they can be shared by both OS's? User Folders - Change Default Location

If the 5.29gb partition which is showing as empty in Disk Mgmt a Recovery Partition? If not you can consider deleting it to add that space to a new partition you shrink from C to try install.
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13 Mar 2011   #17
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
With a laptop it's harder for OP to unplug the HD so we try to avoid it.
It depends on make and model more then anything. But that would isolate the preinstalled Vista from any 7 install mishaps. Later the boot entries could be decided on. Many have a large cover plate you remove from the bottom and the cables for the drives accessible.

If the second is being seen as an external drive as theog suggested the intended drive for 7 would need to be plugged into the first drive's data cable for the install. Then once the first drive is plugged back in with that you edit the BCD for the version that will be left set as default as well as which drive since both would be bootable.

The new entry for Vista on the 7 would be preferred since nothing would be added or changed on the preinstalled version.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by spinifex View Post
@Night Hawk

I booted from the DVD, trying not to interfere with Vista on C drive. (i was running scared, in case i made a mess of Vista).

I will now spend time reading and clicking links in the replies, to see where to go from here.
So much to learn, so little time.

Thanks again to all who are putting time aside to help me with my problem, or at least, misunderstanding of how it needs to be done..

Jon
The make and model laptop might be a help. The drives themselves are likely a pair 5,400rpm 160gb sata drives by the sound of it.

Any actual need for drivers should be rare for either Vista or 7 when going to perform a clean install unlike XP since the two newers versions have their own updated driver base and should readily install to any sata.

Regarding the install problem the one thing not mentioned so far is a possibility that the Vista preinstall was done with the bios set for AHCI not Native ide mode. You might need to reset the bios defaults until 7 is on adjusting the Plug'n'Play and OS2 settings as well as seeing usb keyboard, virtualization features re-enabled manually.
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14 Mar 2011   #18
spinifex

 
 

Night Hawk, Greg Rocker, et all,

I would like to thank you for the effort you guys have put in trying to help sort my problem.
As it stands, the Handbrake has been updating anything and everything on Vista, in case it might get rid of the "need a driver " for the dvd drive.
I am flying out early in the morning, going back to work on the mine site.
I doubt i will get time to have a go continuing with windows 7, till i get back home in 8 days.
That is the beauty of being on an 8/6 roster.

Whatever the end result, i will let you guys know of the outcome.

Thanks again.

Jon
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14 Mar 2011   #19
Bare Foot Kid
Microsoft MVP

W 7 64-bit Ultimate
 
 

Hello Jon, too bad you're having such issues; do keep us informed upon your return.
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23 Mar 2011   #20
spinifex

 
 

Surprise, surprise. Here i am posting using Windows 7 in dual boot mode on my notebook.
After reading older posts, and a bit of other info, i found the slightest hint to try a 32 bit version of Windows 7.
To my surprise, it loaded straight up, not even a hint of requiring a CD/DVD driver.

I hereby would like to thank all you guys, Night Hawk, Bare Foot Kid, Greg Rocker, et all, for the immense time spent helping me through this problem.
Had i gone with a 32 bit version, the driver issue would never had raised it's ugly head.
Everything you suggested i do, worked a treat, and now i am online using Windows 7.

Still a lot of work ahead as i now have a lot of software to add.

Once again guys, A very BIG thank you.

Consider this case closed.
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