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Windows 7: STILL confused about "Upgrade" installation process.

14 Oct 2009   #71
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
Anyone can download a "valid copy" of Windows, illegally. Therefore your method does nothing to prevent piracy.
I'm going to break our tradition and agree with you 100% on this.


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15 Oct 2009   #72
Kryptryx

Windows 7
 
 

How about requireing that to activate the windows 7 update, a valid key for a prior version be entered first, which can then be validated, and then a update key be entered. Microsoft can track the pairing to ensure old keys aren't reused for mutiple upgrade keys.
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16 Oct 2009   #73
MacGyvr

Windows 7 Ultimate RTM (Technet)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Kryptryx View Post
How about requireing that to activate the windows 7 update, a valid key for a prior version be entered first, which can then be validated, and then a update key be entered. Microsoft can track the pairing to ensure old keys aren't reused for mutiple upgrade keys.
How about it doesn't matter because the product is complete will be on the shelves in 6 days?
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19 Oct 2009   #74
patrickbateman

win95-7
 
 

I was pretty much just told "too bad" and I would either get a refund from my preorder or pay another $150 for full version if I wanted to upgrade my windows 2000 to 7
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19 Oct 2009   #75
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

You need to raise the point in writing - email will do - it is legally binding.

Attach a copy of the screenshot posted earlier - that proves they were saying the upgrade license can be used from 2000. That is part the contract - a contract requires offer and acceptance - that was part of the offer - you accepted by buying the upgrade.

They have no choice but to honor it.
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19 Oct 2009   #76
DeaconFrost

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by halp View Post
Right. I have the full versions of both XP and Vista, with legitimate serial numbers. It's just insane that they expect me to go back and install Vista before installing W7 every time I get a new hard drive or run DBAN.
So get a drive-imaging program and create a clean image for yourself, or clone the old install to the new hard drive. Or, go buy the full version if it will cause you this much trouble. You shouldn't be reinstalling that often with Windows 7 anyway, and if you swap HDDs often, clone it. Simple.
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19 Oct 2009   #77
gregrocker

 

Reinstalls are a thing of the past with WIndows 7 outstanding new Backup Imaging (hey I sound like a MS commercial - fine by me): 20 minutes to image your HDD and 20 minutes to reimage to your HDD or a new one.

Just put any licensed OS on a drive and activate it - nothing else needed - then start the upgrade from there to clean install (needed anyway for any OS besides Vista) over itself, or to another formatted partition or HDD (my preferred). Install your programs, configure to satisfaction, then image the drive. You can then delete the XP/Vista.
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19 Oct 2009   #78
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Hi Greg,

LOL - you do sound like a commercial.

Exactly how much USED space do you back up in 20 mins.?

That is critical to the speed, as is the cpu you use , and the free space on the target destination.

BTW - Imaging software has been around a long time - much of it free.

Many of us have always made regular backup images.

It's good that MS now include their own version in the Home Premium edition with 7 - previously, it only came with the higher Editions.

P.S. I backed up an o/s partition , installed, with updates and programs - 12.3gb used space - took less than 6 minutes with Macrium Reflect. Around 10 mins with Paragon - that is not as fast as Macrium, but works at a very low level of cpu usage. That was to another partition on the same HD , which obviously slows it down.
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19 Oct 2009   #79
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Hi Greg,

LOL - you do sound like a commercial.

Exactly how much USED space do you back up in 20 mins.?

That is critical to the speed, as is the cpu you use , and the free space on the target destination.

BTW - Imaging software has been around a long time - much of it free.

Many of us have always made regular backup images.

It's good that MS now include their own version in the Home Premium edition with 7 - previously, it only came with the higher Editions.

P.S. I backed up an o/s partition , installed, with updates and programs - 12.3gb used space - took less than 6 minutes with Macrium Reflect. Around 10 mins with Paragon - that is not as fast as Macrium, but works at a very low level of cpu usage. That was to another partition on the same HD , which obviously slows it down.
74.4/320g in 20 minutes. I just used Acronis to do my roommates 25g Vista and it was the same.

Yes backup imaging is just catching up with us plebes now that MS "put a button."
I stare at these buttons like Homer at the nuke plant until I dare venture forth and now find this to be my favorite new feature of Windows.

Actually the emphasis is because it is dawning on anxious Upgraders that creating the backup image is our free pass to never having to clean install again. And since my favorite hobby is clean reinstalls with optimizing (my friends and family love me and fly me all over the country), I need a new hobby!

That said, if you read these many threads where the tech savvy are advising over and over to image the drive, I notice even many enthusiasts ignoring the suggestion like it is too advanced. So I persist. It easy. Do it.
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19 Oct 2009   #80
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tews View Post
If you already have the RC installed, MS has said that you will be able to do the double install only once... after that you will need to insert a disc with a qualifying version in order for it to work. So, be sure to image your drive immediately after activating..

I hope this answers your questions...
Actually the RC will serve as the underlying activated OS for upgrade until it expires June 1. The Upgrade only looks for an activated OS. I'm not sure it would work with the Enterprise 90 day trial that MS provides now for download with activation, but from what I have read on Win7 Technet blog, there is no way for the installer to determine anything other than it is MS OS and activated.
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