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Windows 7: STILL confused about "Upgrade" installation process.

21 Oct 2009   #81

Windows 7 Professional x64

I wouldn't think the Enterprise 90 day would work since the key is in the program already. They are making this more difficult just by keeping everyone in the dark. Including their own employees.

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21 Oct 2009   #82

W7 HP 64-bit on my desktop, and W7 ultimate 32-bit on my MSI Wind (lol)

Does it actually do a genuine advantage check, or does it just checks if it's activated or not? A buddy of mine has a pirated XP that is activated, and he wants to buy the upgrade version.
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21 Oct 2009   #83

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Vista x64 / 7 X64

That's not exactly the spirit of the thing is it?

We will wait to see how MS have handled the install to blank HD with no previous o/s.
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22 Oct 2009   #84


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Dickstar View Post
Does it actually do a genuine advantage check, or does it just checks if it's activated or not? A buddy of mine has a pirated XP that is activated, and he wants to buy the upgrade version.
Help your bud dig up a copy of the free RC which can be activated with widely-publicized activation keys and which MS has announced can be used for the Upgrade.

Just be sure to make and save a Backup Image of the finished job with the new Win7 Backup Imaging utility so that reinstall is never again necessary, since the RC expires in June and after that he would need XP/VIsta to reinstall.
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22 Oct 2009   #85

Vista 32bit premium

So is it known now its out? I havent had time to trawl through this thread as i'm off away.
But I have Vista home premium 32bit and im guessing I can't get a 64bit upgrade version id have to buy the full thing?

Also you can't reinstall it more than twice? Or did I read something wrong?

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22 Oct 2009   #86

Windows 7 Ultimate (x64) SP1

You can reinstall it as often as you like on the same machine. However, if you change too many components ie: mainboard, hdd etc, you'll need to call M$ to activate it again
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22 Oct 2009   #87


I asked and got this from MS Technet experts on the EULA:

If you upgrade an OEM (comes with machine) XP/Vista, the Win7 Upgrade license becomes locked to the machine, too. There is nothing revealed about how or whether they can enforce this. In fact one MSVP says they wouldn't know if you took the Upgrade and used it on another machine when the first one dies.

However, if you use a retail copy of XP or Vista to upgrade, then the Windows 7 upgrade is tied to the XP/Vista copy and is as portable as the qualifying OS and can migrate to other machines over it's life, as long as it is not on more than one machine at a time.

All of this is in the EULA which you can Google. The wording is tricky although it does verify everything said above the way I read it. Apparently most all of it is not enforced in practice.
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22 Oct 2009   #88


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zrtom View Post
Although not an issue for me directly as a TechNet subscriber, the "Upgrade" install process was still bugging the hell out of me and some of my House Party guests are beginning to inquire about the exact upgrade details. So I wrote to Microsoft. I've attached the reply I received yesterday.

Most of the folks I will be doing upgrades for are Dell users so I phrased my questions in that context to alleviate their particular fears.... not that it should matter for others. Dells are a bit unique in that they ship a pre-activated full OS disk and not a "System Restore" disk.

The rumors of clean installs with an upgrade disk apprear to be true.
But, it also appears that one doesn't just slip in the Vista disk when prompted. The upgrade process must see a fully installed and activated qualifying version before it will allow a complete disk format to pass a flag that allows the upgrade key to activate Windows 7. I guess the "flag" would be held in the RAMdrive during installation or placed in the System Reserved partition.

I think this is the pertinent part:
" If you choose to use the upgrade version of Windows 7, if you ever had to format your computers you would have to install your original copy of Windows Vista and then install the upgrade to Windows 7. This must be done using either method of installation with the upgrade version.
If you wish to bypass the requirement of installing your Vista during every computer reformat then I suggest you purchase the full version and perform a clean installation. This would enable to re-install your operating system and get your computer up and running much quicker."

So, the clean install process is clearly more complicated but doable. And in the case of Dell users, the process will be a little quicker for future reinstallations because we can get Vista installed and activated from a USB key in about 10 minutes. Won't have to sit through all of the driver and crapware installations of some "System Restore" processes. It shouldn't matter that many of the drivers aren't present, just that Vista is installed and activated.

Attachment 31321

ZRTom, since you cited this post in another thread saying I am giving out misinformation about the Upgrade needing to be started from the qualifying OS, and not from boot, I re-read the message to you from MS which you say proves this.

Can you show me where in this MS message it says or even implies
that one can boot from the Upgrade disk to perform their clean install?

The only previous method for clean installing from boot using a Upgrade disk was the Vista "upgrade over upgrade" trick, which MS specifically foreclosed months ago.

So what again is the misinformation I am giving?
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22 Oct 2009   #89

Windows 7 RTM 16385

Clean Install of Win 7 Upgrade Home Premium on a blank hard disk worked and activated.
(there was a partition before C: with the OEM Win Vista Setup files, if that makes a difference)
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22 Oct 2009   #90

Windows Vista

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jackdawg View Post
Clean Install of Win 7 Upgrade Home Premium on a blank hard disk worked and activated.
(there was a partition before C: with the OEM Win Vista Setup files, if that makes a difference)
I want to see someone who buys a brand new HDD and gets the upgrade disc to install to that, with no old OS present. Given all that has been written, I do no think it is possible, but it's what I'd like to do in an ideal world. I do have Vista, so I would be trying to circumvent the upgrade price.
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