win 7 language change

regulus said:

You must be kidding .. I've been an ICT manager/systems admin for over the last 30 years and choosing the "wrong" system language is an absolute PITA which causes you the most unexpected quirks with distributed updates. No language pack is ever going to change that

So you were already an ICT manager/systems admin before 1979??
Even before anybody ever heard of ICT managers or system admins.

When you try to profile yourself as being something you're not, at least make it believable.

Language packs only pose a threat in the hands of numb-nuts.

I am not going to brag about how much experience I have to silence another person.
But I do live in a multi-lingual country and language packs never presented any problem what so ever, neither for me nor my clients.

And I too have yet to see any problem specifically linked to languagepacks.

So please present us with at least one valid example.

Greetings

SquonkSC said:

regulus said:

You must be kidding .. I've been an ICT manager/systems admin for over the last 30 years and choosing the "wrong" system language is an absolute PITA which causes you the most unexpected quirks with distributed updates. No language pack is ever going to change that

So you were already an ICT manager/systems admin before 1979??
Even before anybody ever heard of ICT managers or system admins.

When you try to profile yourself as being something you're not, at least make it believable.

Language packs only pose a threat in the hands of numb-nuts.

I am not going to brag about how much experience I have to silence another person.
But I do live in a multi-lingual country and language packs never presented any problem what so ever, neither for me nor my clients.

And I too have yet to see any problem specifically linked to languagepacks.

So please present us with at least one valid example.

Greetings

You must make a fundamental difference between system install language and language pack ...

So for the sake of simplicity ..
You run a computer node of say 200 networked PC's, partially populated with company proprietary machines and partially with user owned machines. All seemingly run in the english language ... but you're already fooled at this level because several user's machines were not installed with English as the system language (quite logical in an international community of users) they only seems so because of the holy "language pack" syndome (hey they used to call that MUI in the past, and one had to pay big bucks to MS to get it)
As a good manager you want to keep every machine up to date with the latest MS updates. Tough luck if you use an internal distributed systems update server. If you use the english version downloaded update all machines with a different system install language will fail with the stupid error "Your update is incompatible with the system language blah blah ..." and no language pack will get you off the hook .. So are you going to suggest to any user that they wack their PC installation an redo/install everything from scratch in the appropriate language so you can apply a uniform update policy in your node? I think NOT! ... and I've not had it only once ...
Oh & BTW .. for some MS applications you may need to wait until they see fit to release a language pack if it is not plain US-EN .. It sure serves your customer right ! ... and god forbid Mr that some of your machines have been installed in say "swahili" as a system language
So you may glue any language tail to your installed system to use it, when it comes to add other fundamental body parts you have to stick to the genetically correct match(language).
Try to Install IE8 english (because you want to upgrade as soon as it hits the public) release onto an English "language pack"-ed, Dutch cored version and see how far you get ... the answer is nowhere beyond the "not in the system language" error ...

.. and FYI I was a sys admin and manager and computer programmer and a lot more (amongst other things) from 1972 on, or do you think there was no computer life before the release of the IBM PC in 1980? and don't lose yourself in syntactical semantics stumbling over names! holy cow man! I used the fist versions of Windows and Word, yes version 1.0, in a production environment and GEM amongst others under DOS before that! I've seen lots of cr@p told before as well! djeezes, get a reality check will you? or do you think life started with Vista? (god forbid!)

regulus said:

SquonkSC said:

regulus said:

You must be kidding .. I've been an ICT manager/systems admin for over the last 30 years and choosing the "wrong" system language is an absolute PITA which causes you the most unexpected quirks with distributed updates. No language pack is ever going to change that

So you were already an ICT manager/systems admin before 1979??
Even before anybody ever heard of ICT managers or system admins.

When you try to profile yourself as being something you're not, at least make it believable.

Language packs only pose a threat in the hands of numb-nuts.

I am not going to brag about how much experience I have to silence another person.
But I do live in a multi-lingual country and language packs never presented any problem what so ever, neither for me nor my clients.

And I too have yet to see any problem specifically linked to languagepacks.

So please present us with at least one valid example.

Greetings

You must make a fundamental difference between system install language and language pack ...

So for the sake of simplicity ..
You run a computer node of say 200 networked PC's, partially populated with company proprietary machines and partially with user owned machines. All seemingly run in the english language ... but you're already fooled at this level because several user's machines were not installed with English as the system language (quite logical in an international community of users) they only seems so because of the holy "language pack" syndome (hey they used to call that MUI in the past, and one had to pay big bucks to MS to get it)
As a good manager you want to keep every machine up to date with the latest MS updates. Tough luck if you use an internal distributed systems update server. If you use the english version downloaded update all machines with a different system install language will fail with the stupid error "Your update is incompatible with the system language blah blah ..." and no language pack will get you off the hook .. So are you going to suggest to any user that they wack their PC installation an redo/install everything from scratch in the appropriate language so you can apply a uniform update policy in your node? I think NOT! ... and I've not had it only once ...
Oh & BTW .. for some MS applications you may need to wait until they see fit to release a language pack if it is not plain US-EN .. It sure serves your customer right ! ... and god forbid Mr that some of your machines have been installed in say "swahili" as a system language
So you may glue any language tail to your installed system to use it, when it comes to add other fundamental body parts you have to stick to the genetically correct match(language).
Try to Install IE8 english (because you want to upgrade as soon as it hits the public) release onto an English "language pack"-ed, Dutch cored version and see how far you get ... the answer is nowhere beyond the "not in the system language" error ...

.. and FYI I was a sys admin and manager and computer programmer and a lot more (amongst other things) from 1972 on, or do you think there was no computer life before the release of the IBM PC in 1980? and don't lose yourself in syntactical semantics stumbling over names! holy cow man! I used the fist versions of Windows and Word, yes version 1.0, in a production environment and GEM amongst others under DOS before that! I've seen lots of cr@p told before as well! djeezes, get a reality check will you? or do you think life started with Vista? (god forbid!)

Didn't life start with Vista???

You know what, you obviously know it all, I give up, you win.

Hi guys.
hold your horses please.

Language packs as Kari says cause ABSOLUTELY NO problem - I've got English / French / Dutch / German with ZERO problems -- work a lot in NL/BE/D so its useful to have these as well as the English version.

On XP and VISTA I could even get Icelandic version -- it's a pity it's not yet available in W7 - We've sent requests to MS so I suppose it will get release soon.

I've tried installing the VISTA version but it doesn't work - or I'm doing something imbecellic - if anyone knows how to get VISTA LIP to install into W7 I'll be greatful.

http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/d...displaylang=is

For OFFICE 2007 applications) (which is what most typical people probably use most of the time at work), the office language packs install with no prob whatsoever and can be switched easily with the MSOFFICE tools in the start menu.

for example -- running on Eng Lang version of W7


Cheers
jimbo

Kari said:

regulus said:

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Try to Install IE8 english (because you want to upgrade as soon as it hits the public) release onto an English "language pack"-ed, Dutch cored version and see how far you get ... the answer is nowhere beyond the "not in the system language" error ...

...

I did not want to trust my memory, not having any more Vista machines with IE7 or older, so I just installed a Finnish Vista Ultimate with IE7 to a virtual machine. I then installed English language pack and after that English IE8.

Absolutely no problems. Maybe you are still thinking those MUI systems? MUI and language pack are two different things. MUI was, and is, only what the name says: a multilingual user interface. Language pack transforms the whole system and there really are no problems using and installing updates matching the chosen and later added language.

I really don't understand your point. There are no update or other problems when using the language packs.

Kari

Why don't people read what I write ...

But if there is no problem at all with languages plse kindly elaborate on the install error "You cannot do a standard upgrade in another language than the one that is installed on your system" (just like it always was BTW) despite the system is set in the install language using the appropriate language pack .. because that is what you are implying that this should work ... it is just not on ..
but let's drop the case, besides random banter it is not providing any clear cut solution at all just as is the UDF file format issue on the W7-EN DVD ..

Kari said:

Before letting this issue to fade out and go on with my life, I just want to add one thing. Upgrading the OS, for example from Vista to Seven, is of course a completely different situation. Here's an example case:

Vista Ultimate English installed. Transformed to German using language pack. Trying to upgrade it with a German Win7 gives an error message telling you can not upgrade with a different language media.

Trying to upgrade with English Win7 gives the same error message. This is the one and only situation where language pack makes Windows confused.

But still no worries! You just have to change the Vista's language on built-in administrator account back to the original install media language, in this example English. Reboot and now you can use English Win7 to to upgrade your English Vista and then after the upgrade change the language back to German using language pack.

That's it.

Kari

Exactly, but you can't argue with 30+ yrs experience.

The fact you and I live in multi-lingual countries, have four lingo's installed,
and never experienced any problems with it, and neither any of our clients, doesn't say anything. (j/k)