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Windows 7: Dual boot using W7 Upgrade disc?

20 Oct 2009   #1
tcomo

Vista Home Premium
 
 
Dual boot using W7 Upgrade disc?

Hi folks..
I screwed up and ordered W7 Pro before I realized I couldn't do an upgrade from Vista Home Premium. I really don't want to resintall all my programs. So I'm thinking about installing a new drive, and doing a dual boot setup with W7 on the new "D" drive. Question is, can I do this with an upgrade version of W7, or do I need the full version?

Thanks...
Ted


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20 Oct 2009   #2
Snufffed

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tcomo View Post
Hi folks..
I screwed up and ordered W7 Pro before I realized I couldn't do an upgrade from Vista Home Premium. I really don't want to resintall all my programs. So I'm thinking about installing a new drive, and doing a dual boot setup with W7 on the new "D" drive. Question is, can I do this with an upgrade version of W7, or do I need the full version?

Thanks...
Ted
Yes you can CLEAN INSTALL, when ask DO NOT INSERT THE KEY.
READ THE POPUP CAREFULLY, AND YES YOU ARE SURE.
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After your dual booting is working FINE. then use the EASY TRANSFER.
move all Home Premium to Pro.
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20 Oct 2009   #3
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tcomo View Post
doing a dual boot setup with W7 on the new "D" drive. Question is, can I do this with an upgrade version of W7
That might violate the license agreement. You're not supposed to use the previous operating system anymore once you've used it as a basis for upgrade.

I don't see any reason you couldn't use Easy Transfer before and after you upgrade to the Pro version. However, it will not carry over your programs. They'll need to be reinstalled.
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20 Oct 2009   #4
Snufffed

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by tcomo View Post
doing a dual boot setup with W7 on the new "D" drive. Question is, can I do this with an upgrade version of W7
That might violate the license agreement. You're not supposed to use the previous operating system anymore once you've used it as a basis for upgrade.

I don't see any reason you couldn't use Easy Transfer before and after you upgrade to the Pro version. However, it will not carry over your programs. They'll need to be reinstalled.
If he does not do the upgrade from Vista, but uses the CLean Install, he will not be in Violation. Since he can not UPGRADE then he has to CLEAN INSTALL.
I have a A. Working verison of XP Corp (clean install) B. Vista SP2 Ultimate (clean install) and C. Windows 7 Ultimate (clean install).
So unless Microsoft changes , It does not violate the install unless you "perform the UPGRADE" method which Win 7 would overwrite then he would loose his rights to use Vista again, and since you can not PERFORM "UPGRADE" from XP, Clean install is REQUIRED and he will retain the rights to use XP.
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20 Oct 2009   #5
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy View Post
If he does not do the upgrade from Vista, but uses the CLean Install, he will not be in Violation.
So you don't consider moving from Vista to 7 as an UPGRADE? Even when using the UPGRADE media??

I don't think that Microsoft would agree with you there.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Microsoft Windows XP EULA
9. UPGRADES. To use Software identified as an upgrade, you must first be licensed for the software identified by Microsoft as eligible for the upgrade. After upgrading, you may no longer use the software that formed the basis for your upgrade eligibility.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Microsoft Windows Vista EULA
13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.
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20 Oct 2009   #6
gregrocker

 

Once you launch the Upgrade disk from a qualifying OS and either Upgrade (if it is Vista), or do a Custom clean install over XP/Vista/RC, to a second partition, or to a second HDD, then the underlying qualifying OS is by terms of the EULA not useable except to reinstall the upgrade.

From the Windows 7 License Agreement:

15. Upgrades. To use upgrade software, you must first be licenced for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.

That said, there is no mechanism by which MS disables or deactivates the qualifying OS, or at least there hasn't been until now and no indication there will be.

Unless you really want your XP dual boot, I suggest you use it to launch the Upgrade, clean install to a second plugged active primary formatted HDD. After install unplug the XP drive and plug the cable to the Win7 drive (or change the BIOS boot order), run startup repair, and you will have a clean formatted install in the first disk position. But be sure to back up your files ahead since there will be no windows.old folder unless you install over the XP.

Be sure to use the new Win7 Imaging Backup to make an image of the finished install so you never have to reinstall both OS again.
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20 Oct 2009   #7
tcomo

Vista Home Premium
 
 

My concern was whether W7 Pro would actually proceed with the install on a second hard drive from within Vista Home Premium, or not. Since I purchased the upgrade disc instead of the full version, I wasn't sure if it would install cleanly on an open drive, or, whether it would only upgrade a Vista installation drive.
Looks like I'll be able to proceed with this plan.
Thanks all for your comments.
Ted
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20 Oct 2009   #8
gregrocker

 

"The custom install can be directed to a different partition or drive than the one the qualifying install is located on. This functionality has always been possible when using Windows Upgrade packs."

--The Microsoft Developer Network

Upgrade to win7 using a new hard drive
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20 Oct 2009   #9
Snufffed

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Snuffy View Post
If he does not do the upgrade from Vista, but uses the CLean Install, he will not be in Violation.
So you don't consider moving from Vista to 7 as an UPGRADE? Even when using the UPGRADE media?? If he does not install via upgrade from within Vista, No I do not consider that an UPGRADE.

I don't think that Microsoft would agree with you there.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Microsoft Windows XP EULA
9. UPGRADES. To use Software identified as an upgrade, you must first be licensed for the software identified by Microsoft as eligible for the upgrade. After upgrading, you may no longer use the software that formed the basis for your upgrade eligibility.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Microsoft Windows Vista EULA
13. UPGRADES. To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.
No where in the Vista Upgrade manual nor the XP Upgrade manual sent with the UPGRADE Version(s), does it say that... I still have my Official UPGRADE Vista Manual.

And since Win7 Upgrade disc with manual have not been received. Notice on Page 5... NO OS.
here is from my version of Win 7.
Quote:
14. UPGRADES.</B> To use upgrade software, you must first be licensed for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.
This statement clearly contradicts the fact that MS says you can clean install. Now if I clean install (follow the instructions) NO KEY gives you 30 days... now while booted into Win 7 (any version)
and you do the "upgrade" that means I can no longer use Windows 7. refer to Para 14.


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18 Sep 2010   #10
rockfarmer

Windows 7 (retail) both
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Once you launch the Upgrade disk from a qualifying OS and either Upgrade (if it is Vista), or do a Custom clean install over XP/Vista/RC, to a second partition, or to a second HDD, then the underlying qualifying OS is by terms of the EULA not useable except to reinstall the upgrade.

From the Windows 7 License Agreement:

15. Upgrades. To use upgrade software, you must first be licenced for the software that is eligible for the upgrade. Upon upgrade, this agreement takes the place of the agreement for the software you upgraded from. After you upgrade, you may no longer use the software you upgraded from.

That said, there is no mechanism by which MS disables or deactivates the qualifying OS, or at least there hasn't been until now and no indication there will be.

Unless you really want your XP dual boot, I suggest you use it to launch the Upgrade, clean install to a second plugged active primary formatted HDD. After install unplug the XP drive and plug the cable to the Win7 drive (or change the BIOS boot order), run startup repair, and you will have a clean formatted install in the first disk position. But be sure to back up your files ahead since there will be no windows.old folder unless you install over the XP.

Be sure to use the new Win7 Imaging Backup to make an image of the finished install so you never have to reinstall both OS again.
Does that passage of para 15 of the EUALA really mean what it says? That if I uninstall Windows 7, I cannot re-install the qualifying product? Of if I use the upgrade media to do the instllation and overwrite, say Vista, that I cannot re-install Vista (the qualifying product) as a dual boot system? Does it mean that you cannot use the qualifying poduct forever and ever?
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