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Windows 7: Doing a Clean Install with a Upgrade Windows 7 Version

26 Oct 2009   #131
gregrocker

 

I wouldn't buy the Upgrade unless I also have an XP or Vista to upgrade, even though we don't need to have either on the machine (now) to do so. The reason is that the MVP's over on MS Technet, the same ones who were wrong about everything the Upgrade disk would and wouldn't be able to do, now say that the EULA is still in force and that if during future reinstalls a question is raised about qualifying OS for Upgrade, elevating activation to a phone person (which almost never happens) then we might need to have it to show.

Now, chances are that we will never have to reinstall either OS since the new Win7 Backup Imaging makes it easy to save an image of our finished installation to an external drive to reimage the HDD (or a replacement one) in 15 minutes. So it is just a precaution, but be aware of the (slim) risks if you buy an Upgrade with no XP or Vista to later show for it.


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26 Oct 2009   #132
november7286

 
 

Ahh thanks, makes sense when you put it in those terms. Glad I went with retail, though probably wont make much different though in the long run.
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26 Oct 2009   #133
Hondajt

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Steve Ballmer Edition
 
 

What about OEM? I installed The OEM Windows Vista Ultimate x64. It came with the coupon for the upgrade. When I receive it, can I do a clean install? OR does this only apply to retail versions?
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26 Oct 2009   #134
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Hondajt View Post
What about OEM? I installed The OEM Windows Vista Ultimate x64. It came with the coupon for the upgrade. When I receive it, can I do a clean install? OR does this only apply to retail versions?
It should be the same install media so try it. The various workarounds are all listed in this thread should they be necessary to activate.
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26 Oct 2009   #135
Hondajt

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Steve Ballmer Edition
 
 

I appreciate the quick response.

So I have a completely new computer. I installed Vista Ultimate x64 and activated it 4 months ago. It only has one partition, and I don't care if everything on it goes by by, as long as it takes Vista with it. This oem upgrade DVD I am waiting on will do a clean/custom install just liike the Retail versions, and everything will work out?

As long as everything activates properly and its all legal, I'm super excited!
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26 Oct 2009   #136
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Hondajt View Post
I appreciate the quick response.

So I have a completely new computer. I installed Vista Ultimate x64 and activated it 4 months ago. It only has one partition, and I don't care if everything on it goes by by, as long as it takes Vista with it. This oem upgrade DVD I am waiting on will do a clean/custom install just liike the Retail versions, and everything will work out?

As long as everything activates properly and its all legal, I'm super excited!
Certainly worth a try. No one has reported flatly being unable to activate after installing from boot to formatted disk. If you want to know for sure that someone has done this with OEM, you can always post a thread asking that in the forum.
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26 Oct 2009   #137
SilverGator

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
 
 

OK, so I took a few days off from here because my Windows 7 STILL has not arrived. (Fist pumping to Best Buy!!!)

Here are my remaining questions:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker
That recovery partition will be disabled (if it is factory installed) when you install Windows 7 so you can delete it, but you might want to make your recovery disk set if you haven't yet since those disks are generated from that partition. You would only need them if you wanted to restore the computer to factory condition so you can sell it, but want to migrate your WIndows 7 to your next computer.

THen delete them both after booting from the installer, create one big partition (that's what it's called even if it's one) and format it.
Because I have the DELL, I have the recovery disks. But I don't really care about that anyway - I never want to go back to Windows Vista (I am assuming).

When I load Windows 7 from boot, before I delete the Recovery partition - does it *already* recognize that I have Vista on the computer? Meaning - does deleting that partition do anything to hurt the "upgrade" in recognizing that I had Vista on my system before I reformat and install 7 on the new full partition?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zrtom
If your system is a Dell, installing Windows 7 does not disable your recovery partition. And Dells do not have a "create recovery disk set" process. The recovery is all contained in the D:\RECOVERY\Dell\Factory.wim file which is run through the F8 Windows Recovery enviroment by the files in the D:\RECOVERY\Tools folder. Again, that is if your system is a Dell.

Additionally, early reports indicate the mere existence of the D:\RECOVERY partition (which contains a Windows Preinstallation Environment besides the Factory.wim file and the Tools folder) obviates the need for tweaks or hacks to get an upgrade version of Windows 7 to clean install and activate on the first try.
Tom
I DO have DELL, actually. I understand that does not disable the Recovery partition - but would I have any use for it after installing Windows 7? Would Windows 7 utilize it? Otherwise, I think it would be obsolete for me? (Pointing to the second paragraph) would deleting said partition make doing the clean install/activate more difficult? Sorry, not very knowledgeable about partitions and their uses.
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26 Oct 2009   #138
Cando777

Win 7 Demo
 
 

Does the Upgrade Version Bootup ? Does it have a bootloader incl the Family Pack which I asume is the same as the single upgrade version?
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26 Oct 2009   #139
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SilverGator View Post
OK, so I took a few days off from here because my Windows 7 STILL has not arrived. (Fist pumping to Best Buy!!!)

Here are my remaining questions:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker
That recovery partition will be disabled (if it is factory installed) when you install Windows 7 so you can delete it, but you might want to make your recovery disk set if you haven't yet since those disks are generated from that partition. You would only need them if you wanted to restore the computer to factory condition so you can sell it, but want to migrate your WIndows 7 to your next computer.

THen delete them both after booting from the installer, create one big partition (that's what it's called even if it's one) and format it.
Because I have the DELL, I have the recovery disks. But I don't really care about that anyway - I never want to go back to Windows Vista (I am assuming).

When I load Windows 7 from boot, before I delete the Recovery partition - does it *already* recognize that I have Vista on the computer? Meaning - does deleting that partition do anything to hurt the "upgrade" in recognizing that I had Vista on my system before I reformat and install 7 on the new full partition?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zrtom
If your system is a Dell, installing Windows 7 does not disable your recovery partition. And Dells do not have a "create recovery disk set" process. The recovery is all contained in the D:\RECOVERY\Dell\Factory.wim file which is run through the F8 Windows Recovery enviroment by the files in the D:\RECOVERY\Tools folder. Again, that is if your system is a Dell.

Additionally, early reports indicate the mere existence of the D:\RECOVERY partition (which contains a Windows Preinstallation Environment besides the Factory.wim file and the Tools folder) obviates the need for tweaks or hacks to get an upgrade version of Windows 7 to clean install and activate on the first try.
Tom
I DO have DELL, actually. I understand that does not disable the Recovery partition - but would I have any use for it after installing Windows 7? Would Windows 7 utilize it? Otherwise, I think it would be obsolete for me? (Pointing to the second paragraph) would deleting said partition make doing the clean install/activate more difficult? Sorry, not very knowledgeable about partitions and their uses.
Others have posted on here that their Dell Recovery partition was disabled when installing another OS as is normally the case. Either way, if you don't want it you can delete it to recover the space.

As this thread and others reveal, there are many who have booted from the Upgrade disk and installed on formatted HDD's so there was no previous version of Windows for the installer to read. It appears the Upgrade disk is functionally the same as the full version.

That said, it is highly recommended you keep your Vista/XP disk with your Upgrade disk for the life of the Upgrade disk. This is because the EULA has not changed and technically a previous version must exist to use the Win7 upgrade. So, for example, in the rare case that you would reinstall and have activation elevated to a MS phone person, you might need the XP/Vista disk to proceed to activate.

But reinstalls will never again be necessary anyway if you use Win7 Backup Imaging to save an image externally so that the HDD (or a replacement) can be reimaged flawlessly in 15 minutes.
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26 Oct 2009   #140
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SilverGator View Post
OK, so I took a few days off from here because my Windows 7 STILL has not arrived. (Fist pumping to Best Buy!!!)

Here are my remaining questions:

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker
That recovery partition will be disabled (if it is factory installed) when you install Windows 7 so you can delete it, but you might want to make your recovery disk set if you haven't yet since those disks are generated from that partition. You would only need them if you wanted to restore the computer to factory condition so you can sell it, but want to migrate your WIndows 7 to your next computer.

THen delete them both after booting from the installer, create one big partition (that's what it's called even if it's one) and format it.
Because I have the DELL, I have the recovery disks. But I don't really care about that anyway - I never want to go back to Windows Vista (I am assuming).

When I load Windows 7 from boot, before I delete the Recovery partition - does it *already* recognize that I have Vista on the computer? Meaning - does deleting that partition do anything to hurt the "upgrade" in recognizing that I had Vista on my system before I reformat and install 7 on the new full partition?

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zrtom
If your system is a Dell, installing Windows 7 does not disable your recovery partition. And Dells do not have a "create recovery disk set" process. The recovery is all contained in the D:\RECOVERY\Dell\Factory.wim file which is run through the F8 Windows Recovery enviroment by the files in the D:\RECOVERY\Tools folder. Again, that is if your system is a Dell.

Additionally, early reports indicate the mere existence of the D:\RECOVERY partition (which contains a Windows Preinstallation Environment besides the Factory.wim file and the Tools folder) obviates the need for tweaks or hacks to get an upgrade version of Windows 7 to clean install and activate on the first try.
Tom
I DO have DELL, actually. I understand that does not disable the Recovery partition - but would I have any use for it after installing Windows 7? Would Windows 7 utilize it? Otherwise, I think it would be obsolete for me? (Pointing to the second paragraph) would deleting said partition make doing the clean install/activate more difficult? Sorry, not very knowledgeable about partitions and their uses.
Gator I don't know whether or not the Dell recovery partition will still work after new OS is installed, as after the guy posted above saying it does another guy posted saying it won't.

I remove the manufacturer's recovery partition to recover the space, and because most won't work, before doing a clean install. I would make sure the recovery disks have been made, although they can be ordered if ever really needed, which chance is almost nil, since you can reinstall Vista from any Vista installer to activate with your machine's license.

But more importantly, why would anyone want Vista back?
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