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Windows 7: Doing a Clean Install with a Upgrade Windows 7 Version

30 Oct 2009   #181
gregrocker

 

Under the EULA you have to stop using the Vista when you install Win7. That said, there is no way they can enforce it. But a lot of guys are coming here wanting to bail out of dual boots within a day or two after trying Win7, and it is a messy job which involves having to delete Vista off the first partition then move Win7 over onto the first one.

You would get a much cleaner and more permanent install by backing up your files and gathering your program installers, booting from your Win7 Installer, choosing Custom>Advanced tools and delete all partitions, create one big new one, then format and Install. The WIn7 disk will have already scanned your HDD to see you had Vista and pass a flag to accept your key and activate. This is the cleanest possible install.

After the job is finished, whether you dual boot or clean install, use Win7's new Backup Imaging utility to save an image of your HDD externally so you will never have to reinstall again (unless you choose dual boot and later Vista removal messes up, which it might).


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30 Oct 2009   #182
TimothyB

Vista Win7
 
 

Thanks, I don't plan to suddenly stop wanting dual boot. Or more importantly, I just won't care about it taking up space, no regrets. In the future I'll want to install windows 7 once more when I decide to get a faster drive just for the OS, probably when SSD prices go down and faster (not that I know if they are a good OS drive with cost, performance and reliability ratio right now.)
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30 Oct 2009   #183
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by TimothyB View Post
Thanks, I don't plan to suddenly stop wanting dual boot. Or more importantly, I just won't care about it taking up space, no regrets. In the future I'll want to install windows 7 once more when I decide to get a faster drive just for the OS, probably when SSD prices go down and faster (not that I know if they are a good OS drive with cost, performance and reliability ratio right now.)
In that case, you can either boot from the Installer or start your install from the Vista desktop to install to your second partition. You might want to boot the Installer so you can format the simple volume you created using Advanced Tools. The Installer will see your Vista as it is booting up and accept your key before formatting then activate when you get online.

Windows 7 should configure the dual boot; if not, start an Install help topic. When you get your Win7 up, you can copy files over from Vista via explorer, even browse from Win 7 Device Manager for missing drivers in Vista windows/system32/drivers
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30 Oct 2009   #184
TimothyB

Vista Win7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
In that case, you can either boot from the Installer or start your install from the Vista desktop to install to your second partition. Windows 7 should configure the dual boot; if not, start an Install help topic. When you get your Win7 up, you can copy files over from Vista via explorer, even browse from Win 7 Device Manager for missing drivers in Vista windows/system32/drivers
Thanks again for the help. One reason I really want to keep Vista around is insurance for all my graphics software, especially 3D apps, you never know what bug you'll encounter in Win 7 and the state of video card drivers.

Update:

Windows 7 installed fine. Dual Boot screen is there. Also surprised that in My Computer, the Win 7 partition is still letter F, what Vista gave this Partition, and the Vista Partition still remains as C, and was visible right away.
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30 Oct 2009   #185
Maxkhoon

Microsoft Window 7 Home Premium
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxkhoon View Post
Hi, just want to know that is it legal to use the upgrade kit to do the clean installation for Window 7, will my Window 7 consider as not genuine because of this? I have my genuine Vista at my PC, I was wondering if the upgrade kit have the option for me to choose either upgrade or clean install or not? Since the faqs keep mention about install window 7 in the blank HD, I thought that if I have the genuine Vista OS preinstall in my PC, then I don't have to go through many trouble is it? or I have to do the tricks in order to do the clean install since the upgrade kit not allowing peoples to do the clean install.. Thanks for the reply
The EULA only states that you must have a qualifying OS to upgrade which you then can't use afterward, so if you have Vista installed now then you can boot from the installer and do the cleanest of all installs: Custom using Advanced Tools to Delete, create New, and Format.

What happens is the Installer disk scans your HDD when it first boots up to find the Vista OS and passes a flag allowing it to accept key and activate down the line.

If you wipe your HDD ahead of time, then the installer may not see Vista and you will need to do the workarounds found earlier in this thread (upgrade over install, or registry fix). But you still have your Vista license to qualify.

When you finish the job, be sure to use Win7 Backup Imaging to store externally a backup image so that you never have to reinstall either again, just reimage the HDD (or a replacement) in 15 minutes flawlessly.
Thanks for the detailed reply, it was too technical for me though...
digesting in progress...really appreciated...
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30 Oct 2009   #186
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Maxkhoon View Post
Thanks for the detailed reply, it was too technical for me though...
digesting in progress...really appreciated...
OK, I rewrote it to (hopefully) make more sense. Just ask if you have any questions:

The EULA only states that you must have a qualifying OS to upgrade, which you then can't use afterward. So if you have Vista installed now, then you can boot from the installer and do the cleanest of all installs: Custom, using Advanced Tools to Delete old partition(s), create New one(s), and Format.

What happens is the Installer disk scans your HDD when it first boots up to find the Vista OS and passes a flag allowing it to accept Upgrade key and activate down the line.

If you wipe your HDD ahead of time, then the installer may not see Vista and you will need to do a workaround if it rejects your key. But you still have your Vista license to prove you qualify if the issue should ever arise.

When you finish the job, be sure to use Win7 Backup Imaging to store externally a backup image so that you never have to reinstall either again, just reimage the HDD (or a replacement) in 15 minutes flawlessly.
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30 Oct 2009   #187
Techymike

windows 7 home premium 64, and Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

Hello Brink
A familiar face from the Vista forum. I just bought the upgrade from Vista to windows 7 Home, I know the Pro version has the XP option but did not wish to do a complete install and the cost of the upgrade I have was real cheap on eBay. I will read a bit here and see what is best to do for my application. It is a nice forum just as the other is.

OHHHHHHH I loose all my stuff from the last forum. Bummer!
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30 Oct 2009   #188
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Techymike View Post
Hello Brink
A familiar face from the Vista forum. I just bought the upgrade from Vista to windows 7 Home, I know the Pro version has the XP option but did not wish to do a complete install and the cost of the upgrade I have was real cheap on eBay. I will read a bit here and see what is best to do for my application. It is a nice forum just as the other is.

OHHHHHHH I loose all my stuff from the last forum. Bummer!
Hi Mike, and welcome to Seven Forums.

I'm sure that it'll take you no time to get them here as well.
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31 Oct 2009   #189
rbrzezinski1

Windows 7 Home Premium
 
 
Upgrade Install is the way to go.

I don't know why people don't just do an Upgrade! You don't have to back anything up, and all your docs and files just carry over. This is what I did coming from Vista to 7, Both premium versions, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter.

Best of Luck,
Rbrzezinski1
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31 Oct 2009   #190
SilverGator

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by rbrzezinski1 View Post
I don't know why people don't just do an Upgrade! You don't have to back anything up, and all your docs and files just carry over. This is what I did coming from Vista to 7, Both premium versions, but I'm pretty sure that doesn't matter.

Best of Luck,
Rbrzezinski1
Because doing a clean/custom install is refreshing to the hard drive. You get to zero everything out and start from scratch. If there is even something tiny going on wrong or slowing your drive down, it corrects it. It's like asking - why trim your beard when you can shave it?
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