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Windows 7: Doing a Clean Install with a Upgrade Windows 7 Version

29 Nov 2009   #241
OrcaSoul

Vista Home Premium 64bit
 
 

OK, I've spent several interesting and educational hours going through all the threads I could find on upgrading - and it was time well spent thanks to several very helpful people.

I found most of the answers I needed.

Some still remain, however...

I have an HP machine running 64 bit Vista Home Premium. Got it last June, including the upgrade to Win 7 - which just arrived.

I have done a full backup of the HDD.

From the thread, I gather I have 2 options:
1: Do a true upgrade over the Vista, it will save the old OS in a folder & will register all of my many apps and run them with no problems (assuming compatibility, which has been verified).

2: Get a new HDD (1 TB or bigger), install that in my PC and do a clean install to that blank disk. So far so good - and I gather that when it detects the existing Vista it should have no problems.

Since my current HDD is 2/3 full, I like option 2 - but that would mean having to then copy all the files over with EasyTransfer...and that only copies data files, not exe (app) files, right? I assume then I would need to re-install all of the apps (most of which I have the installers handy, but not all)...which seems like a lot of work.

So, I guess the long winded question is - is there a better way, one that will move ALL the files (data AND apps) to the new disk, and set up the registry to make my life a lot easier than re-installing everything?

Or would I just be better off installing per option 1, and hope there are no problems?

One other quick question -> Soon after I got the PC, it somehow got infected by maleware & spyware...after some really nasty work I think I got it all (Maleware bytes, SpyBot & Windows Defender don't see them...) - but my machine has never regained it's youthful vigor of 5 months ago, sometimes it slows down for minutes at a time...Will doing the option 1 get rid of any residual problems, or do I need to go option 2 to be sure? And is there some wondrous utility that I can use to find out exactly what apps I do have loaded?


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29 Nov 2009   #242
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OrcaSoul View Post
From the thread, I gather I have 2 options:
1: Do a true upgrade over the Vista, it will save the old OS in a folder & will register all of my many apps and run them with no problems (assuming compatibility, which has been verified).
Not exactly. The cleanest possible install is to boot from the Win7 DVD and use Custom install Advanced Drive tools to delete, create New partition(s) and format the partition and then install.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OrcaSoul View Post

2: Get a new HDD (1 TB or bigger), install that in my PC and do a clean install to that blank disk. So far so good - and I gather that when it detects the existing Vista it should have no problems.
This is a better idea. Yes, if you keep your Vista drive plugged in it will see it even if you boot from the DVD (which you should) to format the new drive first, but it will also configure a dual boot menu with Vista. So if you don't want this then you should set the new drive to boot first in BIOS then unplug the Vista drive before install (or just switch the cables).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OrcaSoul View Post
Since my current HDD is 2/3 full, I like option 2 - but that would mean having to then copy all the files over with EasyTransfer...and that only copies data files, not exe (app) files, right? I assume then I would need to re-install all of the apps (most of which I have the installers handy, but not all)...which seems like a lot of work.
The only way you are NOT going to have to reinstall your programs is if you do an in-place upgrade run from the Vista desktop (choose Upgrade not Custom). This is an inferior install with problems awaiting. If there was ever a time to do a formatted clean install, it is now with the greatest OS yet.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by OrcaSoul View Post
Soon after I got the PC, it somehow got infected by maleware & spyware...after some really nasty work I think I got it all (Maleware bytes, SpyBot & Windows Defender don't see them...) - but my machine has never regained it's youthful vigor of 5 months ago, sometimes it slows down for minutes at a time...Will doing the option 1 get rid of any residual problems, or do I need to go option 2 to be sure? And is there some wondrous utility that I can use to find out exactly what apps I do have loaded?
This is the determinant as I see it.

You have a virus that affected Vista to this day. You need to wipe the Vista off the drive before you even consider installing Win7 there. In fact, you need to zero out that drive (using DBAN free download) to get all traces off as the installer deleting and formatting just overwrites data.

Since you have to do this, why not abandon that drive for now, make your new drive your main one. Boot into the installer and using Custom Advanced drive tools create your Win7 partition, any data partitions, then format just the Win7 partition and install there.

Once you are up and running, you can use Disk Management to format those data partitions logical NTFS, connect the Vista drive and copy over your files ONLY, then boot from the DBAN CD and zero out the old drive to remove all traces of infection. Don't do anything with that drive until it is zeroed except copy the files over - not even formatting the larger drive in advance. And Virus scan the files first using Avast boot scan and Spybot in safe mode.

Here is a legal workaround which was given out by MS to install Win7 to a new drive without any previous OS: http://community.winsupersite.com/bl...he-answer.aspx
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29 Nov 2009   #243
OrcaSoul

Vista Home Premium 64bit
 
 

OK, that pretty much confirms my best - and worse - expectations...and means I'll need to wait until I can take a few days away from the current project - which has (I hope ) about 2 to 3 weeks left to finish...

Thanks.
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07 Dec 2009   #244
EJB

Windows 7
 
 
Need Clarification

Ok - I see posts that are all over thboard on this, but here is my situation:
I had a fully licensed version of XP Media Center that came with my PC
I upgraded to Windows 7
My hard drive failed and I replaced it
I attempted to load Windows 7 from the upgrade CD - never dawned on me that it was ONLY for upgrades
It won't accept my product key at activation
Of course I either don't have or cannot find any recovery disks for the XP previously installed.

I see posts saying the workaround described is not "endorsed" by MS and I want to keep everything on the up-and-up. Can someone advise?
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07 Dec 2009   #245
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

Hello EJB, and welcome to Seven Forums.

Since you have a legal copy of XP, you are fine.

Clean Install with a Upgrade Windows 7 Version
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10 Dec 2009   #246
Techymike

windows 7 home premium 64, and Windows 10 64 bit
 
 
Child hacker crashed drives!

I have a valid copy of Vista 64 bit and also had to replace my 750GB hard drive this week to Frisbee dust! So bought a 1TB to replace it. Amazing what a 4.5 year old can do to a hard drive with given just a few keystrokes! LOL
Well at least I had a back up copy from my Vista OS that installed just fine with the Windows 7 home premium 64 bit, but not so good for XP Pro 32 bit. Just thought I would try it as he crashed that PC as well. He was in the "no internet" so lets fix it as daddy does! God bless the little hacker to be!
After watching my little monsters (like energizer bunnies drinking nothing but power drinks and B12 shots) and trying to repair both PC's, just deleted the windows/system32/config file on the wife's PC.....exhausted...... I was able to get everything back as it was on my PC but the wife lost all her junk files. Darn shame. Look at the extra space.
Well with a clean install all is well. For now.
Actually with what I learned about windows 7 the system runs a little smoother now.
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10 Dec 2009   #247
Techymike

windows 7 home premium 64, and Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

Nice hat brink!
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10 Dec 2009   #248
Brink

64-bit Windows 10 Pro
 
 

LOL, thanks Mike.
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10 Dec 2009   #249
gregrocker

 

Techymike: If you still have a backup image of XP, it needs a repair install to recover from a HD or computer change.

Boot from the CD, ignore the first R for repair, wait til it discovers the installation and then choose Repair.

It's an in-place Upgrade which only needs reactivation.

There are workarounds if SP's are diff between installation and installer, or OEM vs. retail.

Don't know if this is helpful but I just did one myself so thought I'd offer it.
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11 Dec 2009   #250
Techymike

windows 7 home premium 64, and Windows 10 64 bit
 
 

The back up was from Vista OS. The wife.s PC has XP. Anyways she needed a clean install.
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