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Windows 7: Windows 7 installation on an older desktop with xp pro s/p 3

09 Jan 2015   #21

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64

Is that not exactly what I said in post #2 ?? The 1st reply you got :)

Buy another hard drive and install windows 7 on that, Is that not what I said ?????????

Then you simply hook the XP drive back up and use the bios to choose which operating system you want to use.

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09 Jan 2015   #22

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1

Yes exactly, but Greg always has constructive info chock full of sage advice, and I enjoy reading it while vicariously channeling myself through him and wishing I could know as much, wishing I had the expertise to understand and implement it in real life.

OK, do I have to do anything once it's out of the box before connecting the power cables? You were saying something about making sure a driver is installed?

I'm ducking...
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09 Jan 2015   #23
Microsoft MVP


You only need to ask if you have such questions and we will answer them. For example, if you want to capture a screenshot of XP DIsk Mgmt by using the Prnt Scrn key, then paste it into Paint, you can save the file and post it back here using the paper clip icon. Then we can advise you how much to shrink and where, what other partitions can go, etc. Screenshot with Paint

However a second drive is always a good idea because you can unplug it during install so that each remain independently bootable with Win7 set first to boot in BIOS Boot order and XP triggered to boot using the BIOS Boot menu key .

You can also install Macrium to Win7 to save a backup image of the completed 7 to the XP drive and a backup image of XP to the 7 drive so you have backups that would survive the failure of any OS drive - unless you have an external which is always the best image storage. Macrium Imaging - Windows 7 Help Forums

This video shows how to access hard drive to Dell Inspiron 530 to add one using the empty slot shown. You'll need to locate the spare SATA power cable/plug coming from Power Supply, and will likely need a SATA cable. Be sure to touch case metal before coming near the electronics to discharge static electricity:

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09 Jan 2015   #24

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64

I`m telling ya, disconnect his XP drive before you start, you said yourself you`re not sure what you`re doing.

You mess up his XP drive and he`s gonna be very upset.
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09 Jan 2015   #25

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64 +Linux_VMs +Chromium_VM

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sbuxman View Post
Will I find a space in the tower in which to install the new HD
You should open the case to make sure there is an available drive bay where you can mount the new HD.
Also make sure there is an available Sata Port on the motherboard for the HD.
You will also need a Sata power connector for the HD.

If this manual is correct, you should be able to mount the HD.
If there is a CD/DVD drive, there might not be an open Sata Port on the MB.
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09 Jan 2015   #26

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sbuxman View Post
AddRAM and Greg,

Just had a brainstorm while I was waking from a nap. I can buy a hard drive with Windows 7 preloaded on it dirt cheap at Micro Center in Tustin, CA, a fave haunt of mine. Can't I then just install it in the empty bay in the tower (something else I've also already done before) and change the boot sequence order in the BIOS from the C: drive to the new letter assigned to the new drive installed in Bay 2? Won't the computer now change the boot from the default drive C: like pretty much every other drive in the world and instead boot from the new drive letter assigned to the newly installed drive in bay 2 of the tower? The system now boots from the new drive with Windows 7 preloaded on it! Am I at least in the ballpark of what you're trying to say, addRAM, with some minor caveats as usual? Or must I go the extra mile as you say and just physically unplug the old, XP drive from the motherboard? Is that the gist of what you're recommending? How does your plan differ from my boot sequence order change plan?

Thanks! Amazing what a good nap can do.
Post a link to this pre loaded hard drive with windows 7, I`m dieing to see it, as I`ve never ever heard of that.
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09 Jan 2015   #27

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sbuxman View Post
It may appear that's what I'm asking for, but I don't realize that! I'm not interested in shortcuts, nor is my buddy, so I'm taking the responsibility to help him because I thoroughly enjoy this type of work and I want to deliver the Cadillac result, not the Chevy.

I was led to believe that a dual-boot option is available to me, so I was writing in that context, not an upgrade, nor did I ever use the word upgrade. Apparently a dual-boot option is not available as it turns out, and I don't understand why.

In your post #17, you have two links for help, "Clean Install Windows 7" and "Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7." Which tutorial do I use? Apparently I'm missing something here.
You use the clean install tutorial, you are not re installing windows 7 on a pc that came with windows 7. You are basically installing to a totally new ( to windows 7 ) pc.

Once again
1) Dis connect the power cable from the XP drive.
2) Connect the power and data cables to the new hard drive.
3) Turn on the pc and put the windows 7 dvd in the dvd drive and close the tray.
4) Re boot the pc (turn it off and turn it on again) or just hit the re set button.
5) When you see the words "Press any key to boot from CD/DVD" press any key to start the install process.

If you don not see those words, then use the 1 time boot menu function key to bring up the boot menu screen, arrow down to the dvd drive and hit enter. It will show you which key this is when you first boot the pc. It could be F10, F11, F2, Del, Esc you have to pay attention.

Clean Install Windows 7
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10 Jan 2015   #28

Multi-Boot W7_Pro_x64 W8.1_Pro_x64 W10_Pro_x64 +Linux_VMs +Chromium_VM


You're getting a lot of good advice here, but seem to be bouncing around on what to do...
Follow all the advice given and answer all questions and suggestions.

Here is my suggestion from a "hardware/pc builder/analyst" perspective:
Replying to post #20 by sbuxman and my post #25,
If what I see is correct in the manual the PC may not have an open SATA port.
That could be a game-changer or show-stopper.
The manual I looked at shows only 2 SATA ports, and if the Owner uses a HD and DVD drive, they are probably both used.
The only way to be sure, is open the case and check...and ask the owner if a DVD drive is needed (if connected).
Don't start ordering parts before you open the case and know what you are getting into.

Your best solution might be to dual-boot from a single HD.
Screen print from page 117 of the manual I looked at shows only 2 SATA ports.
Get the correct manual, read it, and physically inspect the PC.

I used the manual from here for the screen print:
Product Support | Dell US
Windows 7 installation on an older desktop with xp pro s/p 3-sataports_sp01.png

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10 Jan 2015   #29

Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit 7601 Multiprocessor Free Service Pack 1

Alas, correct DavidE! There is not an available SATA port for a new HD So, on to Plan B, which just brought a smile to my buddy's face anyway given the HD prices I was peppering him with late last eve...I get that when someone is on permanent SSDI.

Brink's tutorial about dual boot is excellent and seems easy to understand even for yours truly...there are very few things I (think I) don't understand. One item: Greg's advice to capture a screenshot of Disk Management is not only excellent, but fortunately something I've learned to use in the past. Only question I have is how I coordinate the snapshot into the tutorial's instructions this morning; IOW, where and when do I take the screenshot while following Brink's steps, in case I want to upload the jpeg?

I purchased the 32-bit Windows 7 Home Premium DVD last evening, complete with COA and Product Key, so I feel like I'm just about there.

Thank you!
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10 Jan 2015   #30
Microsoft MVP


Just post back the screenshot following the tutorial to Prnt Scrn, paste into Paint, save file, attach using paper clip in reply box. I thought I'd already typed that all out.
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