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Windows 7: UEFI Install of Windows 7 Pro

29 Jun 2017   #41
Nasty7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Here we go! Thanks for the Description Megahertz07!




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29 Jun 2017   #42
Nasty7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

I guess I'm posting Images properly?
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29 Jun 2017   #43
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

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29 Jun 2017   #44
AddRAM

Windows 7 Pro x64 Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Ya you want to upload pictures to this forum, not some other website.

Just click the paperclip icon to upload a picture.

What is on Disk 0 now ?

Windows 7 Pro installed in Legacy mode on a MBR drive ?

That`s what it looks like.

If so just steal some space from C to create another partition for W10, I`d make it a Primary partition.

Use Partition Wizard free to create it. Post another shot of Disk Management after you`ve done that.

Best Free Partition Manager for Windows | MiniTool Partition Free


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30 Jun 2017   #45
Nasty7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Quote:
Windows 7 Pro installed in Legacy mode on a MBR drive ?
Yes, that is what it is, I will do this soon.

I wonder if I should do as Megahertz07 said and put W10 at the end of the drive? The only disadvantage might be Installing Linux in a Triple Boot later and keep all storage at the end?

Thanks, Nasty7
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30 Jun 2017   #46
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

You said you may erase Win 10, so to put Win 10 at the end will make it easy as you'll be adding the space to the data partition.
If you put Win 10 after Win 7, if you erase Win 10 the space will be added to Win 7, and will be useless.
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19 Oct 2017   #47
Nasty7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 
Back at it!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
- Open disk management.
- Shrink the Win 7 right side partition. Leave 85G for Win 7
- On the un allocated right partition, make two more partition. A big one and a 120 G at the right. Format them as NTFS
- From left to right
- (MS reserved - 120M) + (Win 7 - 85G) + (Data - Big NTFS) + Win 10 - 120G)
- Boot from Win 10 and install it at the last partition = 120G
I really want to follow through with this great advice from Megahertz soon, if not immediately. I think this is very well lay'ed out, and will use MiniTool Partition Editor to do it.

I am wondering, am I going to run into any Permission Issues when sharing a Partition with Windows 10? Which is not a big problem, but just want to get an idea. In fact, Linux may go here (To the last Partition), don't know yet. I won't worry about permission issue with Linux, I keep most my files on USB's.

Also wondering if there will be any issues with Windows 10 Major Updates, while using only One Partition for it instead of the traditional Two? Won't Windows Ten try to add/create another partition during a Major Update?

I want to get this done mostly for getting some files onto this new Storage Partition, lot's of iso's in particular. The reason for this in my head, is to make it easier to Image my Windows 7 OS, am I thinking correctly here?

Thanks guys, no hurry, Nasty7
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06 Nov 2017   #48
intport123

Windows 7 x64 Pro
 
 

Another thing you need to take into consideration is that w7 has no support for native 4KB partitioning for disks, and that only means that your HDD will be running in 512 byte sectors logical with 4096 byte sector physical (512e "emulated") and that's not the best for performance in these days HDDs. for SSDs it is 512 byte logical/physical so no problem. If w10 didn't have those "report to microsoft featues" built-in and windows 8 had a better desktop experience I would recommend you that. But those OSs are still better than w7 from a pure performance point of view (they will also have a lower ram footprint).
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06 Nov 2017   #49
Nasty7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by intport123 View Post
Another thing you need to take into consideration is that w7 has no support for native 4KB partitioning for disks, and that only means that your HDD will be running in 512 byte sectors logical with 4096 byte sector physical (512e "emulated") and that's not the best for performance in these days HDDs. for SSDs it is 512 byte logical/physical so no problem. If w10 didn't have those "report to microsoft featues" built-in and windows 8 had a better desktop experience I would recommend you that. But those OSs are still better than w7 from a pure performance point of view (they will also have a lower ram footprint).
Well that's interesting, I'll need to take a good look at this asap!

I'm certain I have a newer Drive as I just bought it from Bestbuy, and they normally only carry the newer ones in Store...I checked. Not on that pc right now so will check this later.

Basically you are saying, Windows 7 will not out perform W8-W10 either way. And that W8 and W10 will utilize these newer drives better due to the 4KB ability to add to that?

Will Windows 7 run better/faster on an older drive, SATA-III, or is it that it just won't run as fast as W8 and W10 on the newer Drives?

This won't affect a Dual Boot will it?
Suppose I install Windows 8 or 10 in dual boot with my now windows 7, will it still be able to take advantage of the 4KB Partitioning on those new partions?
I am considering a Dual Boot, and don't mind Windows 8, but I do help others with computers, and most these days are using Windows 10, so would be smartest for me to install W10. My pc came with Windows 8.1, so if it wasn't for supporting others I would just install that.

Hope that wasn't too many questions.
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06 Nov 2017   #50
dg1261

Windows 7/8.1/10/XP multiboot
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nasty7 View Post
Basically you are saying, Windows 7 will not out perform W8-W10 either way. And that W8 and W10 will utilize these newer drives better due to the 4KB ability to add to that?
No, that's not necessarily true. Although Win8/10 support native 4KB sector sizes while Win7 does not, that is irrelevant if your partition is properly aligned.

When you format a NTFS partition the default storage allocation unit (aka, "cluster") size is 4KB (eight 512-byte or 512e sectors). The file system (NTFS) reads and writes whole clusters at a time. That means NTFS partitions are never reading or writing chunks of less than 4KB at a time, anyway. Even if what you want to write to disk is less than the size of one 512-byte sector, it will always write a full 4KB cluster. There is no difference in performance vs. writing one 4KB native sector (4Kn).

The key is to make sure your partitions are aligned--which diskpart in Win7 and later do by default anyway. If the partition boundaries are not properly aligned, you run the risk that the 4KB cluster the file system wants to write may span two physical 4Kn sectors on an Advanced Format drive, and that will result in a performance hit. That's true regardless of OS.
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