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Windows 7: Reinstalling Win 7

15 Dec 2018   #11
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

I tried again this morning - the scan completed, it connected to servers, the bar on upper left of Dism++ showed "Installing", status bar (at bottom) progress indicator showed it progressively installing x of 113 updates (I left the default checked) all the way to 113, got the "success" message. However, next to each checked allegedly 'updated' file, the status shows "Download Failed".


I've tried restarting the system after Dism++ "finished. I also checked the option for Dism++ to restart when finished.


The only windows updates shown in WU history are the 3 that show after the SP1 install.


Any ideas? Or maybe I should install the Convenience Rollup and let it go from there?


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15 Dec 2018   #12
Paul Black

7 HP SP1 64-bit Vista HB SP2 32-bit Linux Mint 18.3
 
 

Hi msalton1,

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by msalton1 View Post
I tried again this morning - the scan completed, it connected to servers, the bar on upper left of Dism++ showed "Installing", status bar (at bottom) progress indicator showed it progressively installing x of 113 updates (I left the default checked) all the way to 113, got the "success" message. However, next to each checked allegedly 'updated' file, the status shows "Download Failed".

I've tried restarting the system after Dism++ "finished". I also checked the option for Dism++ to restart when finished.

The only windows updates shown in WU history are the 3 that show after the SP1 install.

Any ideas? Or maybe I should install the Convenience Rollup and let it go from there?
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Black View Post
[3] Turn Sleep mode OFF in Power Options [you can turn it back on after you have finished].
[1] Did you do the above?
[2] Did you have any other HDD's or USB's attached when you run DISM++?
[3] Did you run DISM++ a second and third time?
[If so, did the updates that showed as being successfully installed on the first run appear again in the second scan?]

I hope this helps!
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15 Dec 2018   #13
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Paul Black View Post
Hi msalton1,





[1] Did you do the above?
[2] Did you have any other HDD's or USB's attached when you run DISM++?
[3] Did you run DISM++ a second and third time?
[If so, did the updates that showed as being successfully installed on the first run appear again in the second scan?]

I hope this helps!

1. Yes, power options set to High Perf. The download failure occure withing 2 or 3 mins anyway, so power options don't come into play.


2. Yes. All HDs and CD drives disconnected.


3. Yes. And restarted the machine after 2 of the attempts.


4. Yes, the updates that showed as successful appeared in the update list again.


Also, I checked control panel/W Updates history and installed update after Dism++ ran. No new updates showed as installed. Baffling.


Just ran it again. The scan takes seconds. The "installing updates" phase takes just over a minute before the downloads are designated as "failed" (yet the success dialog appears).


I'm installing to a separate drive (disconnecting the existing drives and connecting the new SSD as necessary), keeping my production machine in use. So this isn't an emergency. If I have to, I'll run W/U overnight for a few nights.


Assuming so, after installing the Convenience Rollup, will I have to worry about the notorious 'update hangs'?
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15 Dec 2018   #14
Nasty7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

I don't understand what is going on here. Are you trying to Update a Clean Install of Windows 7 that was done with a Retail Disk, or from a Recovery Partition? If it is a Recovery Partition and already has SP1 then you don't need anything in most cases. If a Retail Disk then yes, you will need the Servicing Stack and the Rollup, but that's all.
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15 Dec 2018   #15
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nasty7 View Post
I don't understand what is going on here. Are you trying to Update a Clean Install of Windows 7 that was done with a Retail Disk, or from a Recovery Partition? If it is a Recovery Partition and already has SP1 then you don't need anything in most cases. If a Retail Disk then yes, you will need the Servicing Stack and the Rollup, but that's all.

A new install to a clean SSD using an official MS Win 7 Pro x64 SP1 ISO. It will be activated with a retail Product key.
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15 Dec 2018   #16
Paul Black

7 HP SP1 64-bit Vista HB SP2 32-bit Linux Mint 18.3
 
 

Hi Nasty7,

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nasty7 View Post
I don't understand what is going on here. Are you trying to Update a Clean Install of Windows 7 that was done with a Retail Disk, or from a Recovery Partition? If it is a Recovery Partition and already has SP1 then you don't need anything in most cases. If a Retail Disk then yes, you will need the Servicing Stack and the Rollup, but that's all.
Whether it is a restore back to factory settings from a recovery partition or from a DVD/USB, you will still need the critical updates [and possibly some Important system updates] and .NET Framework updates. DISM++ never usually has a problem with this and is a much easier and quicker way to update the OS rather that going down the WU route!
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15 Dec 2018   #17
Nasty7

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

@Paul Black: Gotcha, I always use the Service Stack and Roll-Up and never any issues on dozens of machines. I don't know why it would be quicker as all the Updates still need downloading and installing, but I'll take your word for it. I'll have to try it one day, but using sysprep now, only takes 7min. I did just re-read your post and Bookmarked it Paul, thanks.
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15 Dec 2018   #18
Paul Black

7 HP SP1 64-bit Vista HB SP2 32-bit Linux Mint 18.3
 
 

Hi Nasty7,

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Nasty7 View Post
I always use the Service Stack and Roll-Up and never any issues on dozens of machines. I don't know why it would be quicker as all the Updates still need downloading and installing, but I'll take your word for it. I'll have to try it one day, but using sysprep now, only takes 7min. I did just re-read your post and Bookmarked it Paul, thanks.
I also used to use the:

[1] - KB3020369 - Servicing Stack Update - April 2015.
[2] - KB3125574 - Convenience Rollup Package - May 2016.
[3] - KB3172605 - Functional Update Rollup [THIS ONE IS IMPORTANT] - July 2016.
[4] - KB3179573 - Functional Update Rollup - August 2016.

...etc, and then running WU. The problem with doing it that way [I found] is the amount of time needed to download and install all the updates, not to mention the numerous restarts required.

I then found a muck quicker and easier way to achieve this was to use DISM++!

DISM++ is a FREE implementation tool that has the ability to perform Windows Updates [WU]. Some of the advantages [but not all] are:

[1] The GUI is very easy to understand and use.
[2] It is much faster than M$’s WU because it uses a different engine.
[3] It downloads the latest WU DB from the M$ servers, scans your OS, and then lists the updates available.
[4] It doesn’t install superseded updates like M$ does.
[5] It gives you the option of what you want to install.
[6] The pre-ticked updates are what is recommended and are similar to the WU critical and recommended updates. The un-ticked updates are similar to the WU optional updates.

[7] It warns you if an update:
  • Includes telemetry.
  • Has known issues with certain hardware.
  • Needs exclusive access.
  • Is suspect.
  • Your OS doesn't need it.
  • Has any other known issues.
[8] It doesn’t require re-booting between updates.
[9] It can be used to either update an install.wim image OFFLINE, or to update the LIVE OS.
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15 Dec 2018   #19
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

Just tried again. The odd thing is that afterwards, I plugged my existing system drive (and other devices) back in and booted, then decided to try Dism++ on the same machine with my daily hardware configuration. Only had a few updates, but Dism++ connected, downloaded and installed.


Just a thought for the problem (new install) SSD...should I leave the Dism++ default updates checked? Should I start with an older update that might be causing an issue if not installed first?
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15 Dec 2018   #20
msalton1

windows 7 Pro 64 Bit
 
 

And, if Dism++ isn't going to do the job, I guess I'll have to do it that 'old fashioned way'.


Paul, does your post #18 contain all the steps I'll need to get current? Is there a guide with a certain order, etc? Is there a list of updates I'll need to uninstall after (i.e., the 'phone-home' updates)? I'd like to do this the right way to avoid any issues down the line.


Any info will be appreciated. Thanks!


PS - if anyone can tell me the problem with Dism++ here, much appreciated!
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