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Windows 7: Radically simplify win7 folder structure...?

03 Apr 2019   #1
kbuss

Windows 7 Professional N x64
 
 
Radically simplify win7 folder structure...?

Hi Guys! Im looking for reasonable routes to simplify win7's flawed and cluttered folder structure.
my aim to only have:
  • one program folder, all programs go there (no separate x86)
  • one user folder, no default user, all user, public etc. i only use one admin account, no need or plan to use others.
  • no dumbs*** stacked documents folder with music, favorites, pictures etc /w added shortcuts, those we never use.
  • possibly get rid of common files, program data folders, force apps to use own folder or "username/appdata" folder for that.

now,
found numerous guides how to delete these manually but thats not what i want.
i want to intrinsicly configure windows to get rid of those and only use the remaining, and also force installed apps to stick to those.

my question, is this even possible, any tool or fix to accomplish this easily.
fresh win7 install is not a problem if required.

if any older threads about this, thank you for pointing me to those, i didnt manage to find.

thx for any help on the above.

ps: the long story why I need this
i use a lot of CAD and music software.
one example.
I installed Massive, Kore2 and 4 expansions for it, these are music (VST) softwares from Native Instruments, a leading manufacturer.
this happens:

C:\Program Files\Native Instruments - 24 folders
C:\Program Files (x86)\Native Instruments - 3 folders
C:\Program Files\Common Files\Native Instruments - 10 folders
C:\Program Files (x86)\Common Files\Native Instruments - 117 folders
C:\Users\xxxx\AppData\Local\Native Instruments - 37 folders
C:\Users\xxxx\AppData\Roaming\Native Instruments - 1folder
C:\Users\xxxx\AppData\Local\cache\Native Instruments - 1 folder
C:\Users\xxxx\Documents\Native Instruments - 107 folder
C:\Users\All Users\Native Instruments - 2 folders

and my actual program folders that i was able to select at installation.

C:\mu\Kore 2 - 2 folders
C:\mu\Kore 2 Sample Content - 111 folders
C:\mu\Massive - 2 folders
C:\mu\Native Instruments - 75 folders

together, they like 500 folders!!!! insane.
as you see, i try to keep all my music stuff in "mu" folder.
but mostly it only puts documentation in there.
basically these programs put their stuff in ALL the possible locations scattered on the drive, and if you install several of these, maintaining them becomes an extremly time consuming and iterative task.



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03 Apr 2019   #2
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

And what you gain with it?
As I can see, Native Instruments has programs that run at 64 bits and other at 32 bits. And there are common files for the two of them.
Everything under C:\Users xxx\AppData are configuration data made for the xxx user.
C:\Users\All Users\Native Instruments - 2 folders has the templates to be loaded when creating a new user.
That is a well and good structured program. And you want to ruin that structure. I'll ask again, what you gain with it?
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03 Apr 2019   #3
Ranger4

Windows 7 Home Premium 64 bit sp1
 
 

kbuss. I agree with Megahertz, what do you expect to gain?. The chance of wrecking Windows is very likely. Just leave it alone.
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03 Apr 2019   #4
johnhoh

Win7 pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbuss View Post
my question, is this even possible, any tool or fix to accomplish this easily.
My guess is no, that this is not possible and that there is no tool to do this.
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03 Apr 2019   #5
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

It's possible (I wouldn't change the two separate program folders; 32bit and 64 bit programs are segregated for a reason) but it would involve uninstalling all the programs, then reinstalling them, telling the program where to install itself, assuming the program will allow that.

It would be a lot of work, though, assuming it can be done and I fail to see what you will gain. I almost never need to access my program folders.
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04 Apr 2019   #6
kbuss

Windows 7 Professional N x64
 
 

what do you mean? is this a serious question?
this was one example, using the computer properly i would install 10-20 of these apps
most of these wont remove ANY of their folders upon uninstall, so in few weeks your folder structure becomes a horrible mess that makes finding any file or config a 15 minute task. especially if you try some of their apps then uninstall and they leave folders basically everywhere, and its extremely hard to remove them manually cos they iterative and repetitive and no indication on which belongs where.

no wonder there are programs from good developers that actually ask at install, where should they keep the misc files, even possibly everithing in 1 folder...

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
And what you gain with it?
As I can see, Native Instruments has programs that run at 64 bits and other at 32 bits. And there are common files for the two of them.
no, there are two common files folder w mostly the same content. it even folder spams w empty folders in them. it forces a company folder structure thats for other stuff youll "supposedly" buy, or something.
also why would you need two different Program Files folder in win7 at all? its completely useless.

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Everything under C:\Users xxx\AppData are configuration data made for the xxx user.
C:\Users\All Users\Native Instruments - 2 folders has the templates to be loaded when creating a new user.
yes but who ever use additional user accounts on their beloved private machine with expensive programs and his work on it??? this entire multi user concept is completely dumb and for public machines in a café or someth... kinda weird that nobody else has problem with it. it should be allowed to not include at all upon OS install...

Quote:
That is a well and good structured program. And you want to ruin that structure. I'll ask again, what you gain with it?
i dont understand you now, if you jokeing or not... :II as I said, 2 apps made 500 folders.
a good structured program makes 1 program folder with max 15-20 subfolders, an appdata folder and thats it. and puts all the scattered data in container files.
Native instruments are well known for this folder spamming.

but obviously you using your machine very differently from me.
basically my initial thought was professional music studios use several TBs, 100-200 of these programs and apps, and surely there must be a way to contain this mess. because this makes the drives and the registry impossible to maintain properly. you cannot have 12hours of downtime while the tech cleans up 1000s of junk subfolders and registry after an uninstall...

besides i though this annoys a lot of people too, anyone who uses more complicated programs...
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04 Apr 2019   #7
kbuss

Windows 7 Professional N x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
And what you gain with it?
PS: just to better visualize from another viewpont.
absynth is only 1 part of the Kore package, which is in all a middle sized program, ~6GB, not huge.
now, just for this subpart it makes this much folders.
also it force installs an older version
and puts all the documentation in a separate folder tree (omg )
but most of the below are big folder stems w lot of subfolders...

a lot of manufactrurers does this almost as bad.
its crazy.

so this is what i try to combat and keep in check every way possible.


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04 Apr 2019   #8
kbuss

Windows 7 Professional N x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lady Fitzgerald View Post
It's possible (I wouldn't change the two separate program folders; 32bit and 64 bit programs are segregated for a reason)
Yes, but what is the reason? a lot of programs dont even respect it and default to Program Files folder at install, even if they are x86...

Quote:
but it would involve uninstalling all the programs, then reinstalling them, telling the program where to install itself, assuming the program will allow that.
no no... thats not what I meant. I ALWAYS specify that folder, this time its c:\mu (for music)
the problem is this program for example only install some documentation in it
its a joke really.

what i need is to force win7 to keep its folder structure to a reasonable minimum and dont let these intallers spit everything all around the hard drive.
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04 Apr 2019   #9
kbuss

Windows 7 Professional N x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by johnhoh View Post
My guess is no, that this is not possible and that there is no tool to do this.
hmm...
and if I satisfy with getting rid of the
  • multi user concept, just one damn user instead of the normal user/default user/public etc bloatcrap that ppl never use
  • the two separate Program Files folder and having just one instead?

that would be so nice.
also I feel these are the ones ppl must be the most annoyed about...
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04 Apr 2019   #10
Lady Fitzgerald

Win 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbuss View Post
Yes, but what is the reason? a lot of programs dont even respect it and default to Program Files folder at install, even if they are x86...
Read here for the answer to that. Why do I have two 'Program Files' folders?


Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kbuss View Post
no no... thats not what I meant. I ALWAYS specify that folder, this time its c:\mu (for music)
the problem is this program for example only install some documentation in it
its a joke really.

what i need is to force win7 to keep its folder structure to a reasonable minimum and dont let these intallers spit everything all around the hard drive.
Then the problem lies with the clowns who designed the programs. Either change programs or live with it.
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