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Windows 7: Dual boot - not

16 Jan 2020   #21
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

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With the HD on HDD0 and the SSD on HDD1/2/3:..
The SSD was then attached to SATA0

What is the exact model you have? Are they not all sata ports?


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20 Jan 2020   #22
Orcadian

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
What is the exact model you have? Are they not all sata ports?

SIW2, My machine is a Dell Precision T3600. The DVD (optical drive) port is labelled SATA0, and the one adjacent to it SATA1. The other slots are labelled HDD0, HDD1/2 and HDD3.
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20 Jan 2020   #23
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

It seems there is urgent bios update and a manual if you don't already have it.

https://www.dell.com/support/home/uk...-t3600/drivers


https://www.dell.com/support/home/uk...recision-t3600


https://downloads.dell.com/manuals/a...nual_en-us.pdf

video here for anybody who is curious about this machine
sata connectors
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21 Jan 2020   #24
Orcadian

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Thanks for this, SIW2. I thought I had replied yesterday but evidently not. I did have the A18 BIOS update but have installed it again just in case. Sadly, the SSD (on SATA1-only place it will boot) still cannot see the HD. (I do have the manual too but it is not very helpful on firmware, motherboard connector type, RAID arrangements etc.)

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
video here for anybody who is curious about this machine sata connectors
This was an interesting video because Wooley believes that HDD1, 2 & 3 are "SAS" ports. I don't know if that's part of the problem. One of my BIOS pages does mention SAS ports. There is a distinction between them and SATA ports; see attached.


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Dual boot - not-bios_3.jpg   Dual boot - not-bios_4.jpg  
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21 Jan 2020   #25
Megahertz07

Windows 7 HP 64
 
 

From your images, SATA 0 & 1 are for ODD only.
The SSD should be used on HDD0 - HDD3 and if you're not going to have any RAID array, RAID controller should be set to Disabled.
General - Boot sequence set to HDD0 - HDD3 (where the SSD is placed)
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21 Jan 2020   #26
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

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Orcadian

HDD1, 2 & 3 are "SAS" ports. I don't know if that's part of the problem.
That is why I linked you to that section of the video


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I purchased a Samsung 840 128 to use as a boot drive on a Dell Precision T3600. When I check the BIOS, it has the SSD listed as a SAS device and will not let me install the OS. I'm using the same port (HDD0) that was used before with a 250 SATA HDD.


I was able to find the problem. I needed to load the Intel C600 controller drivers as part of the install. I would have figured it out sooner, but as far as I can tell, they are not listed on Dell's website and I had to get them from Intel. The hardest part was figured out which controller was being used in the first place.

dell-precision-t3600-detects-ssd-as-a-sas

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The Precision Workstation systems mentioned have integrated SAS ports on the system board. Users may be attempting to use them as additional SATA ports. Users need to ensure to remove any SATA drives connected in the ports marked HDD 0-3. Users must install the hard drives into the ports marked SATA, or the drives will not detect in the system

https://www.dell.com/support/article...rboard?lang=en
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I’ve been told by an online Dell rep that I am unable to use both SSD and SATA Drive together whilst another said it should be fine.

Installing SSD in Dell Precision T3600

Struggling with a Dell Precision T3600, Boot Image does not see Hard drive.

https://www.dell.com/community/Enter...4/td-p/4016271
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21 Jan 2020   #27
Orcadian

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Megahertz07 View Post
From your images, SATA 0 & 1 are for ODD only. The SSD should be used on HDD0 - HDD3 and if you're not going to have any RAID array, RAID controller should be set to Disabled. ...

Thanks, Megahertz07. SATA0 and SATA1 are the only connectors where the SSD will boot. When I disabled the RAID array, Windows 7 would not boot. (Please see my earlier posts.)
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22 Jan 2020   #28
Orcadian

Windows 7 Pro 64 bit and Windows 10 Pro 64 bit
 
 

@SIW2, Thank you for these helpful links. The Kelvinreview post was interesting. He talks about a 'PERC H310 RAID card' but I don't know if I have one of these. (However, there is no ref. to it in the manual.) He says you can D/L drivers for the PERC from Dell but the link is broken. The Forumsanandtech link too is interesting. He says he sourced a 'C600 controller driver' from Intel but gives no link. The Dell 'support' note about 'covers over SAS ports' just seems to say that if you've plugged your SATA drive into an HDDn port -tough.

I'm not sure what a SAS port looks like, and there is no label saying "SAS" on the motherboard, therefore I don't know if I have any. The HDDn ports all look ordinary to me, and all take standard SATA data connectors. For all my disks, the power supply and data connector are separate. When connected to HDDn, all disks are listed in BIOS as SAS devices.

It seems significant to me that Windows 7 has no difficulty - evidently there ARE drivers that sort out the SATA/RAID/SAS buisness - it's just that Windows 10 doesn't have them. (I wonder if this absence happened because, as mentioned, I installed my 'throwaway' Windows 7 with the SSD on HDD0 but when I upgraded this to W10, it would only install with the SSD on SATA0.)

I have discovered a video on how to install a "SAS RAID driver for C600" that (reportedly) fixes the 'disk visibility' problem on Dell Precisions: YouTube. However, the driver itself does not appear to come from Intel. It is supplied by an outfit called World Electroparts, who have mounted the driver package on google drive. I am therefore wary. Any advice on this appreciated.
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22 Jan 2020   #29
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

I would try it. Why not? Make a system restore point/or better still make an image before installing the driver.

A couple of good imaging programs with Pro versions on giveaway atm, if you don't already have a fave one.

It looks ok. Seems to be the original drivers.

DRVR_AHCI_SCU_Intel_A03_JV4JN_f6flpy-setup_ZPE.zip

According to the enclosed version.txt:

Code:
Title: Storage Controller: Intel Rapid Storage Technology,Intel C600 Storage Controller,Intel C600 SCUr...
Version: A03
OEM Name: 
OEM Version: 3.7.0.1093
Computers: Precision: T5600, T3600, T7600, T5600XL, T3600XL
OS: Windows Vista 64-bit - Home Basic, Windows Vista 64-bit - Ultimate, Windows 7 32-bit - Home Premium, Windows 8 64-bit - Pro, Windows Vista 64-bit - Home Premium, Windows XP x64 - Professional Client, Windows 7 64-bit - Professional, Windows 8 32-bit - Pro, Windows 7 32-bit - Home Basic, Windows Vista 32-bit - Ultimate, Windows 7 32-bit - Starter, Windows 7 32-bit - Professional, Windows Vista 32-bit - Starter, Windows Vista 32-bit - Home Basic, Windows Vista 32-bit - Home Premium, Windows Vista 64-bit - Business, Windows Vista 32-bit - Business, Windows 7 64-bit - Home Premium, Windows 7 64-bit - Home Basic, Windows 7 64-bit - Ultimate, Windows 8 64-bit - H, Windows 8 32-bit - H, Windows 8 64-bit - EM, Windows 8 32-bit - EM, Windows 7 32-bit - Ultimate
Languages: English
Created: 11/10/2013


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22 Jan 2020   #30
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Found the DELL download.For T5600, T3600, T7600, T5600XL, T3600XL
Supports vista-win10

DRVR_AHCI_SCU_Intel_A03_JV4JN_f6flpy-setup_ZPE.exe

info
https://www.dell.com/support/driver/...driverId=JV4JN



There is a slightly newer version for T5610 below:

Supports win7-win10

DRVR_AHCI_SCU_Intel_A04_4JGTT_f6flpy-setup_ZPE.exe

info:
https://www.dell.com/support/home/uk...driverid=4jgtt

Code:
Title: Storage Controller: Intel IRST F6 Driver for T5610,Intel Rapid Storage Technology,Intel IRST F6r...
Version: A00-00        WP0000033533
OEM Name: 
OEM Version: 3.8.0.1108
Computers: Precision: T5610
OS: Windows 7 32-bit - Professional, Windows 8.1 64-bit - 8.1, Windows 8.1 32-bit - 8.1, Windows 8.1 32-bit - 8.1 SL (Single Language), Windows 7 32-bit - Home Premium, Windows 8.1 64-bit - 8.1 SL (Single Language), Windows 8 64-bit - Pro, Windows 7 64-bit - Home Premium, Windows 7 64-bit - Home Basic, Windows 8.1 32-bit - 8.1 Pro, Windows 8 64-bit - H, Windows 7 64-bit - Ultimate, Windows 8.1 64-bit - 8.1 Pro, Windows 7 64-bit - Professional, Windows 8 32-bit - H, Windows 8 32-bit - Pro, Windows 7 32-bit - Home Basic, Windows 8 64-bit - EM, Windows 8 32-bit - EM, Windows 7 32-bit - Starter, Windows 7 32-bit - Ultimate
Languages: English
Created: 11/12/2014

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Fix:
Error msg during install Win7 to RAID volume after load IRST driver
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