Install Windows 7 on HP 800 DM G4

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    Works on my 8th/9th gen machines using 17514v30M

    I don't know what MR is doing to yours. Are you using MR v8 ?

    try the wim file from this iso. put the wim on your ventoy usb and it should find the USBprograms

    4169.iso
    Last edited by SIW2; 29 Sep 2024 at 22:11.
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  2. Posts : 332
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
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       #32

    yes,
    mine is MR free V8. 8.0.7783.0

    Install Windows 7 on HP 800 DM G4-image.png

    keyboard/mouse stop working on macrium reflect rescue disk.
    it's rare but happened.

    Macrium reflect rescue media: mouse or keyboard not working, so unable - Windows 10 Forums
    Macrium RE no mouse/keyboard support | Windows 11 Forum

    my HP800G4 hardware could be unlucky one. when I saw the problem, I read online posts but none reported the solved. I had to try whatever I could. as result of my test, is NOT solved too.

    one option is to dispose the hardware NOT working with MR RE. Test and keep those hardware working with MR RE.
    It's known that, this version works on HP800G3 6th/7th, ASUS. NOT working on HP800G4 and Lenovo.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Update

    Thanks for version 4169.iso,

    its test re-run three times. each test passed. (it run much slower than your early version, 17514v30M). mouse/KB worked under MR RE 3.1.

    an issue, If NOT launch MR RE, then PC can shutdown/restart down from "Start" button. however, if launch MR RE then Exit. "Start" bottom freezing up. click NOT working any more. cannot go shutdown/restart.
    at this time, its desktop still running, so I opened a Command Prompt, typed the command shutdown /s to shutdown. or had to hard power down (held power button until device power off). I tried either way in my test to power down PC. it happened twice in my three tests.

    Thanks SIW2,
    This version's time stamp (2024-09-29 18:20) tells me you made its update tonight for me. I will keep this version.

    I sincerely appreciate your help and support with this matter,
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  3. Posts : 16,601
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       #33
    Last edited by SIW2; 30 Sep 2024 at 21:52.
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  4. Posts : 332
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
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       #34

    addition is completed, thanks,

    your tool helps to solve my issue, conversion between single-boot and dual-boot when Win7 vs. Win 11.
    my G4 OS often swings between Win7 single-boot and Win 7/11 dual-boot.
    from dual to single, MSCONFIG is easy.
    while, from single to dual, involving Win7, can be easy if MR RE works, restores dual-boot. If fails, would be a headache, have to clean-install Windows 11 dual-boot once more.

    oncoming days, Windows 7 future is dim, get Windows 11 ready. it's what I am doing.
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  5. Posts : 332
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
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       #35

    @SIW2

    my G4 has a sleep problem. have your G4/G5 experienced problem? how did you fix it? Thanks,

    Symptom: If PC waking up from sleep, shutting-down PC will become re-start. To shutdown, have to redo shutdown once more.

    google the issue, it's found that it's pretty common. and the solution varied, case-by-case. (please read ps at end of my post)

    Out of my HP computers, HP 800 G2 or lower (HP 7800 to 8000 to 8300, and G1/G2), no this problem on Windows 7.
    HP 800 G3 (6500/6500T, 6600T, 7500T), at the time I obtained them, they all had this problem on Windows 7 (each PC I had its logbook). when on Windows 10/11, the problem was gone. later they moved back to Windows 7, the problem was back again. for this sake, I was reluctant to move them back to Windows 7 (but Windows 10/11 degrading performances).
    Then I tried various fixes on Windows 7, upgraded ME driver (I was thinking the sleep problem was ME-related). upgrade BIOS (my main concern). presently all run latest BIOS version.
    Anyway, in my test last Summer. they all don't have this problem any longer. (let them go sleep, then wake-up, later power-down. they will be shutdown completely. no issue)
    my guess, the fix is either by HP ME latest driver, or latest BIOS, on Windows 7.

    my HP 800 G4 8600 now run into this right problem on Windows 7. it was shipped with Windows 10/11, no this problem at all. i.e. my Windows 7 install created this problem.
    as HP no G4 support on Windows 7, I cannot try ME or BIOS W7 solution. I tried about ten fixes online google. according to my G3 experience, these online Google solution wouldn't go, must be something from HP BIOS or ME update. while HP no any G4 W7 update. no clue.

    HP 800 G4 8600 becomes latest one and only one having the sleep problem on Windows 7. (G3 no this problem any longer)


    ps, online google solution
    Redirecting
    Easily and Quickly to Fix Windows 10 Restarts After Shutdown - MiniTool Partition Wizard
    How to Fix Computer Restarts After Shutdown - EaseUS
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  6. Posts : 16,601
    7 X64
       #36

    I have not heard of that issue before. I haven't got a g4 or g5 now so I don't know.
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  7. Posts : 332
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
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       #37

    A reason still running Windows 7 (re-post)
    Is anyone still using Windows 7?

    siliconbeaver said:
    Windows 7 was released 2009, 15 yrs ago.
    my daily work requests running of scripts of excel-macro and python previously developed on Windows 7.
    I was stuck with old computers, such as HP Elite 7800-8300 because their re-installing Windows 7 was easy, W7 key was on the case, until I joined this forum.

    With SF's knowledgement I learned, my choice extended onto HP 800 G1-G3, later then G4-G6. their re-installation is feasible. newer computer is with more powerful CPU. but their activation is still an issue (newer PC no W7 key). for this sake, I better stay with HP computer.

    I have tried and tested Windows 11 many times. the scripts running test time on same computer with Windows 11 was about 50% or 100% slower (18 sec on W7 vs. 28 sec on W11). For my apps, Windows 11 is NOT worth (faster CPU but slower result). it has too much bloatware.
    Also, python pyautogui, auto run under administration , , , many techical issues on Windows 11.

    As long as my scripts run faster and better on Windows 7, Windows 7 will be my main OS until a new OS can beat Windows 7.

    Indeed even Windows XP could run my macros and python scripts, but Windows XP doesn't support GPT, nor SSD. running test time is my gauge. hence I have disposed XP.
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  8. Posts : 332
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       #38

    Summary
    Windows 7 can run on HP 800 G3/G4/G5 (Coffee/Kaby Lake architecture CPUs).
    my test excluded i7/i9 because of their cost and technical difficulty.


    what must-be in use
    1. Set CSM mode (F10 key when HP boot). even though on GPT disk.
    2. HP Windows 7 install media HP Cloud Recovery (it offers an HP basic display driver, similar to Microsoft Basic Display Adapter. plus, default Windows 7 activation). its latest version is for G3 6th gen CPU, supports upto USB 3.0/TPM 1.2. but can be used for higher gen CPUs with SIW2's update.
    3. Intel (7)I219-LM NIC driver. sp84719.exe.
    4. UHD 630 graphics driver, canonkong version. (graphics for intel 9th gen UHD 630 password: xiaofengmod)
    5. SIW2's tool, to update Windows 7 installation media (it offers full USB 3.0/3.1/3.2 drivers. other drivers (SATA NVMe , , ,) should be already in HP media). present version 7UPv64R. Update your Win 7 installation media


    what known issues.


    you can see, NIC is an easy solution for WIFI problem.
    or you can replace those WIFI cards with AC8265, its Windows 7 driver exists. or set dualboot, use the WIFI in Windows 10/11.
    HPIC000C can be ignored. no any impact on my HP performance as I don't run HP apps. Don't install the HPIC000C.zip. It causes BSOD.


    Optional
    SDI. it was used in my test (to obtain latest graphics driver version 21.20.16.5077). however, in my final install, UHD 630 graphics driver/canonkong version is simply applied (driver version 21.20.16.5068).

    when clean install done, I made an image of HP 800 G4.
    later restored/run it on G3 7500/7600, G4 8500/8600, G5 9500/9600. DM or SFF. no big problems except the known issues.

    backup
    you may run into backup software issue. I am using Ghost 11.5 but cannot backup its ESP, OS 100MB boot sector. common free Macrium Reflect/MacriumRescue (V8) wouldn't work. you can ask SIW2 for his special version (based on his 4169.iso).

    dual-boot
    in my practice, it's noticed that it's better setup dualboot on these hardware (i.e. Coffee/Kaby Lake architecture CPUs), easy to rescue and debug. and easy to install Windows 7.

    given the computer came with Windows 10/11.
    1. Create a partition for Windows 7.
    2. Apply the image.
    3. Add a bootmenu entry. --- bcdboot E:\windows (where, E: is Win7 OS partition) How to properly dual boot 7 with Win10 (when 10 is installed first...)


    any time if crashed or corrupted, select Windows 10/11 on dualboot menu. re-do above procedure.


    alternative graphics driver
    (biostar graphics driver, upload failed)
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  9. Posts : 332
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
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       #39

    A
    Test time of a same single script running on same computer (HP 800 G5)
    Windows 7 (18 sec) vs. Windows 11 (28 sec). evil Windows 11, wasting CPU power.

    Install Windows 7 on HP 800 DM G4-w7g5testtime0630yf.png Install Windows 7 on HP 800 DM G4-w11g4testtime.png


    B
    Testtime difference will be getting significant when long-time running because of RAM leak.
    254.52 sec. on W7 vs. 737.72/764.87 sec. on W11, (nearly 3X longer on about 1100 charts).

    Install Windows 7 on HP 800 DM G4-w7g5testtime0213az.png (Win7 vs.) Install Windows 7 on HP 800 DM G4-w11rg5testtime0213az.png (Win11 test)Install Windows 7 on HP 800 DM G4-w11g5testtime0213az.png (Win 11 retest)
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  10. Posts : 332
    Windows 7 Pro 64-bit
    Thread Starter
       #40

    Install Windows 7 on HP 800 G3/G4/G5 (Coffee/Kaby Lake CPU)


    Windows 7

    Old soldier never dies, he simply fades away.
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