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Windows 7: Replacing Vista - drivers and system programs?

08 Dec 2009   #11
ignatzatsonic

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Mayzie:

The "missing space" on a HD is around 7%, so 465 out of 500 is about right. I have a 640 gig drive that comes in at 596 gigs.


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08 Dec 2009   #12
Mayzie

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Thanks Greg! It's after midnight here so I'm going to try this all tomorrow. Btw, google seems to say I can delete the EISA partition from Vista (e.g. How to delete EISA partition and Delete and Remove to Unlock EISA Hidden Recovery or Diagnostic Partition in Vista My Digital Life) so I will try that too. If it doesn't work, I'll just live with it.

Using the Backup Centre to create a Repair Disk along with the Backup Image sounds great. I'll keep you posted.
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08 Dec 2009   #13
gregrocker

 

Yes the EISA unlock Diskpart override commands are in my last two posts as well. I used them when I clean reinstalled my roommates Acer Vista and it works fine.

Use the Command Prompt shortcut on the Start menu or you can type CMD in the Run dialog box, rightclick result and Run As Administrator. When you boot into the Win7 DVD EISA should be gone.

But do it as last step before booting DVD as there is a slight chance Vista might not start up again.

When you boot the DVD again, check one more time for a Repair My Computer link on the second screen after choosing Language/Keyboard. Sounds like that part of the DVD is what was customized by Toshiba, hopefully no more.
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10 Dec 2009   #14
Mayzie

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Yes the EISA unlock Diskpart override commands are in my last two posts as well. I used them when I clean reinstalled my roommates Acer Vista and it works fine.
Sorry! I misunderstood - thought you were saying this could only be done in Win7.

In any case - I was able to delete the EISA partition right from the Win7 DVD as I started the installation process.

Everything worked perfectly! The install went very smoothly and I was able to activate manually with no problem.

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When you boot the DVD again, check one more time for a Repair My Computer link on the second screen after choosing Language/Keyboard. Sounds like that part of the DVD is what was customized by Toshiba, hopefully no more.
There was definitely no Repair option but I did as you suggested and took an image of my computer as soon as Win7 was installed. As you said, that prompted me to create a Repair disc, which I did. So I should be fine now.

I'm downloading some of the Toshiba utilities and some work, some don't - but I guess those are questions for Toshiba forums.

I do have a couple of smaller questions following the install:

1) I actually took the image before I activated Windows (during the install I unchecked the automatic activation box, as recommended). Would that be a problem if I restore from the image later? Should I delete that image and take another one?

2) I ended up with 2 partitions. I meant to use one for system files and one for everything else. But for some reason I can't shrink the volume of the system partition below about 200 Gigs - even though only about 20 Gigs are being used. Would a de-frag help, maybe?

3) I'm sure this question is more for the Drivers forum so I'll post it there. Device manager now shows four unrecognized devices - see screencap. "Update driver" just gets back a message saying Windows was unable to install the device. (There were two unknown devices but one went away after I installed the Synaptics driver, and the Touchpad showed up under Mouse and Pointing Devices at the same time).

Anyway, thanks again for all your help! It did work great. Should I put some kind of check mark on this thread?


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10 Dec 2009   #15
Mayzie

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
Mayzie:

The "missing space" on a HD is around 7%, so 465 out of 500 is about right. I have a 640 gig drive that comes in at 596 gigs.
Thanks ignatzatsonic. I really didn't realize 7% was about normal.
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10 Dec 2009   #16
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mayzie View Post

I do have a couple of smaller questions following the install:

1) I actually took the image before I activated Windows (during the install I unchecked the automatic activation box, as recommended). Would that be a problem if I restore from the image later? Should I delete that image and take another one?
If you have the space, you can save the previous image (just append .old to it) and save another once you get everything exactly where you want it and activated.

Then you have an unactivated one if you need to reimage to another machine which will trade out all of the drivers (quite a show) and activate on the new hardware signature.

You have to rename the backup WindowsImageBackup and place in root of external for detection.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mayzie View Post
2) I ended up with 2 partitions. I meant to use one for system files and one for everything else. But for some reason I can't shrink the volume of the system partition below about 200 Gigs - even though only about 20 Gigs are being used. Would a de-frag help, maybe?
Yes exactly. Then if it won't shrink enough, try Partition Wizard which is more aggressive. Update your backup image first.

A stubborn shrink case may need to have system files moved out of far right field. The tool that does this is PerfectDisk trial version Offline Files defrag.

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mayzie View Post
3) I'm sure this question is more for the Drivers forum so I'll post it there. Device manager now shows four unrecognized devices - see screencap.
These base system devices are most likely the card readers built into your p.c.

Check the Toshiba Support>Downloads>drivers page for your model. The A500's listed have card reader drivers listed for Vista and Win7. Unzip and browse the drivers files from Device Manager.
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16 Dec 2009   #17
Mayzie

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I just wanted to come back here and say that everything worked out fine - as suggested, I just needed to go download drivers to get rid of the unidentified devices.

In fact I ended up installing almost all of the drivers on Toshiba's support page for my model. Maybe they get installed automatically when you do the upgrade install but not with the clean install. I've also used the repair disk and image backup a couple of times already and they work fine.

One last question - If I decide to go back and re-install Win7 from scratch on this same laptop (i.e. delete partitions, format drives, and do a full clean install again) ... will I be able to activate using the same product key and activation code a second time on the same computer? I understand you can do this with a full version of Win7. But with the upgrade version, will it be looking for an existing version of Vista? Is that going to cause trouble in the future if I should ever want to start from scratch again (on the same machine)?

Thanks again for everyone's help here.
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16 Dec 2009   #18
gregrocker

 

Mayzie, glad it is working out for you.

I'm not sure I would trust all of the drivers on Toshiba's support page without comparing them to the Win7 driver installed. MS sponsored the partnership with manufacturers to build Win7 Drivers, so they have them first. Of course if Windows Update feels you have an outdated one, it will offer a newer one anyway. You should be ok.

When you get ready to reinstall, just boot from the DVD and it will see the OS and allow you to insert Upgrade key, even if you then use Advanced drive tools to repartition and format. If not, it only requires a repair install from the new desktop to allow key to be inserted.

Better yet, make a Win7 backup image now stored externally so you never have to reinstall again, just boot from the DVD and reimage the HD or a replacement.
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