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Windows 7: MS-6585 motherboard installation

03 Jan 2010   #21
gregrocker

 

I only mention that because I've not yet been able to install Win7 onto the HD in a dual core machine and return the HD to a single core, or vice versa, and get it to run straight away. But you can try it to be sure.


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03 Jan 2010   #22
nsutherland

Windows XP SP3 32 bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by SIW2 View Post
Greg,

As it says - it an add on for HDM Suite or Pro.

You have to own the products to get it.

They were giving away to anybody a variation of it in RC form, I think it is called Virtualization Manager 2009 RC - don't know if they still are.
It looks as though Virtualization Manager 2009 is now a commercial product, but available as a free add-on to Partition Manager 10 Personal which costs $40. I think I'll read the manual (available at Paragon Virtualization Manager 2009: Free Add-on for Partition Manager 10 Personal - Overview) to see if it's likely to help.
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28 Jan 2010   #23
nsutherland

Windows XP SP3 32 bit
 
 
And finally ...

I've not been posting for a while, as I've been in regular correspondence with Microsoft's support staff about my installation problem. They too have concluded that there is a a hardware incompatibility that cannot be overcome. So that's it really. Serves me right for trying to instal 2009 software on a 2002 machine.

I did learn something about the Windows Upgrade Advisor. According to the support technician I spoke to, the WUG first identifies the hardware components, then checks the manufacturers' web sites for known incompatibilities. So, responsibility lies with the hardware manufacturer rather than with Microsoft. Surprise!! - but fair enough, when you think about it.

I'm going to write this one off to experience, and move on. But a big thanks to Gregrocker for trying to help!
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14 Mar 2013   #24
spapakons

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Hello, I am a computer technician and a customer gave me his computer to install Windows 7. It already had it installed, but due to some virus etc, I have to reinstall them. I could not boot from Windows 7 DVD, so I installed Windows XP and then copied all Windows 7 files to a folder and started installation from there. Common sense says I should not have any problem, since I don't boot from any DVD, but this sh*t motherboard has another opinion. I don't know what trick did my customer, but I guess the only option is to install Windows 7 to another PC and then put it back. As far as I have read in this thread, this has problems too, bacuase probably Windows 7 try to find drivers for this piece of sh*t and stucks. But I thought of another trick: Why not keep Windows XP, install it to another PC, upgrade to Vista, and finally upgrade to 7. This way all SiS drivers needed for MSI motherboard will be present, and hopefully, it will work when placed back at customer's PC. I'll let you know.
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14 Mar 2013   #25
gregrocker

 

Unplug all other HD's and peripherals,

Boot into BIOS setup, reset to defaults, save changes. If an EFI BIOS, enable Legacy BIOS or Compatibility Support Module, set DVD drive first to boot, HD second. Then set SATA controller to AHCI. Save changes and Exit.

Then boot into installer DVD or flash stick burned or written using tool and latest ISO for your licensed OS version here. If the new DVD your burn from latest official ISO doesn't boot then try the flash stick method in the blue link.

At first installer screen Press Shift + F10 to open a Command Box, type:

DISKPART
LIST DISK
SELECT DISK 0 (after confirming Windows 7 target HD #)
CLEAN
CREATE PARTITION PRIMARY SIZE=102400 (for 100gb partition, adjust as desired)
FORMAT FS=NTFS LABEL="WINDOWS 7"
ACTIVE
EXIT
EXIT

Next click Install Now, then Custom install to Clean Install Windows 7 to the partition you created. If it fails then report back at which step and the verbatim error message.

In addition read over these steps to understand the tools and methods which work best to get and maintain a perfect Clean Reinstall - Factory OEM Windows 7. The steps are the same for retail.

After install you can adjust partition size or Create new partitions for data, etc. in Disk Mgmt.You are creating the partition here for the purpose of marking it Active which overcomes certain install failures.

If these steps fail then boot into a boot disk which will start itself like Partition Wizard
to wipe the HD, which will force the installer to autostart too.
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15 Mar 2013   #26
spapakons

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Hello!

Thank you for your answer. The motherboard is Intel socket 478 with SiS (Shit InSide) 648F chipset, in simple English the worst possible chipset for Celeron & Pentium 4 socket 478 CPUs (in my opinion from worst to best SiS->VIA->ATI->nVidia->Intel chipset). This means is has a legacy text mode BIOS (forget EFI) and has a limited hardware support. It cannot boot from UDF DVD-ROM as in Windows Vista, 7 & 8, only from ISO 9660 DVD-ROM as in XP, and of course it cannot boot from USB Flash drive. To circumvent this issue, I installed XP and copied all Windows 7 files in a folder. Then I tried both the root SETUP.EXE and that in the SOURCES folder. Neither managed to complete installation. Windows Setup is copying all necessary files, expanding them and then restarts to proceed. In all cases I see the splash screen after restart and then system halts due to some incompatibility. I guess at this point Windows Setup tries to find some drivers or do some other stuff and these are not supported by the chipset. I also tried to upgrade XP to Vista in another PC. I put the disk back only to freeze at the Microsoft splash screen. I even had a disk with preinstalled Windows 8 Consumer Preview (it doesn't require NX or PAE) but couldn't manage to load, it stuck at the splash screen.

So I can assure you, this motherboard is capable for up to Windows XP, nothing more. I would even install Windows 98 on it to play safe, but then I would lose a great deal of compatibility with software and hardware. Also Windows 98 cannot use more than 512MB they give BSOD or freeze if more is installed and not limited to 512MB using advanced options in MSCONFIG.

The best I can do is install Windows XP SP3, do all the updates, and use Windows Blinds or similar if I want any visual effects and pray that for at least another 5 years, new hardware will have Windows XP drivers.

CASE CLOSED (I hate to kill your hopes, but that's all folks!) ;-)
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15 Mar 2013   #27
gregrocker

 

Well you'd have to be able to boot a disk to work through steps which are compiled to resolve the most prominent install failure issues. But if it's not Win7-capable hardware then you're just spinning your wheels, even if you'd apply it as an image from a boot CD like Paragon Adaptive Restore which will adjust it to run on any other hardware.
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16 Mar 2013   #28
spapakons

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

As already said, to avoid the "cannot boot from DVD" issue, I copied all Windows 7 DVD-ROM files in a folder in the hard disk and started setup from there within Windows XP. It always stucks after restart and never completes installation. So there are several incompatibilities with this specific motherboard, not just that it cannot boot from UDF CD-ROM and DVD-ROM. Eventually I formatted the disk, reinstalled Windows XP and persuaded my customer to live with it. If only the chipest was a little better (eg VIA), there would be no problem installing Windows 7 with Intel Pentium 4 1.3GHz and 2048MB (1024MB + 2x 512MB) RAM. I have done it before many times. But as I said in my previous post, SiS = Shit InSide, that explains a lot.
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16 Mar 2013   #29
gregrocker

 

If you run Windows 7 Upgrade Advisor in XP it should pinpoint the exact weakness or incompatiblity.
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17 Mar 2013   #30
spapakons

Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit
 
 

Well, Windows 7 Setup upgrade installation checks for compatibility issues before installing. It only had two warnings that the audio driver might not work in Windows 7 and another sofware might need an update. It didn't find any other compatibility, so it is not guarranteed that if a system passes the compatibility test, you can upgrade to Windows 7. Unfortunatelly there are exceptions and this motherboard is one of them. If unsure, the best is to boot from DVD-ROM (if possible) and see if you can reach the hard disk selection screen. If you do, then 99% it is possible to install Windows 7, so if you want a clean installation, just proceed, if you want an upgrade restart setup from previous Windows version. If you cannot boot from Windows 7 DVD-ROM (as in this motherboard) it is a valid sign that probably you cannot install Windows 7 on this machine, but you could try.
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