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Windows 7: New Win7 64bit Install unresponsive at times

01 Feb 2010   #11
gregrocker

 

What I would do is shrink your 64 bit in Disk Mgmt, install 32 bit on a separate partition just to compare.

I'll bet these probs will disappear in 32 bit.

You can even add XP to a third partition to run the Upgrade Advisor and compare that. This is the kind of testing a lot of us did during beta.


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01 Feb 2010   #12
BostonDriver

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
What I would do is shrink your 64 bit in Disk Mgmt, install 32 bit on a separate partition just to compare.

I'll bet these probs will disappear in 32 bit.

You can even add XP to a third partition to run the Upgrade Advisor and compare that. This is the kind of testing a lot of us did during beta.
I'm sure of it, same system XP SP3 flies! But the point of that system is for > 4GB RAM.

I can open the chassis and just slap in another disk fairly quickly, they all slide in on rails. BIOS also lets me tell system which is "C" drive regardless of what is plugged into SATA0, SATA1, SATA2 etc.

New data however.....

Using what you suggested, I noticed that only 8GB RAM was reported. I have 12GB. I shutdown, opened up and removed 4GB. The 4 I selected were based on memory, when I first installed the purchased RAM ~6 months ago. One time "issue" where BIOS complained..... I reseated and never saw it again. Booting Unix 64bit systems didn't complain, see issues either.

Removed this memory, booted again, MUCH BETTER. Not perfect, but much better. I was able to get a "rating" for the first time with this machine. Other than graphics, all high marks.

Only twice did I have to ctrl-alt-del to "lock", then "unlock" to get system back.

One performance event to note:

Code:
Log Name:      Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational
Source:        Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance
Date:          2/1/2010 8:24:24 PM
Event ID:      500
Task Category: Desktop Window Manager Monitoring
Level:         Warning
Keywords:      Event Log
User:          LOCAL SERVICE
Computer:      P690
Description:
The Desktop Window Manager is experiencing heavy resource contention. 
     Scenario    :    The Desktop Window Manager responsiveness has degraded.
Event Xml:
<Event xmlns="http://schemas.microsoft.com/win/2004/08/events/event">
  <System>
    <Provider Name="Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance" Guid="{CFC18EC0-96B1-4EBA-961B-622CAEE05B0A}" />
    <EventID>500</EventID>
    <Version>1</Version>
    <Level>3</Level>
    <Task>4006</Task>
    <Opcode>39</Opcode>
    <Keywords>0x8000000000010000</Keywords>
    <TimeCreated SystemTime="2010-02-02T01:24:24.340873200Z" />
    <EventRecordID>55</EventRecordID>
    <Correlation ActivityID="{00000100-0000-0001-6746-C17AA3A3CA01}" />
    <Execution ProcessID="1320" ThreadID="3492" />
    <Channel>Microsoft-Windows-Diagnostics-Performance/Operational</Channel>
    <Computer>P690</Computer>
    <Security UserID="S-1-5-19" />
  </System>
  <EventData>
    <Data Name="DisplayDeviceFriendlyNameLength">27</Data>
    <Data Name="DisplayDeviceFriendlyName">NVIDIA Quadro FX 3400/4400</Data>
    <Data Name="MemoryBandwidth">1807650</Data>
    <Data Name="MemorySize">501342208</Data>
    <Data Name="Scenario">3</Data>
  </EventData>
</Event>
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01 Feb 2010   #13
gregrocker

 

I would stress test the memory overnight with memtest86. Isolate bad RAM and replace.

Do you have the latest drivers for video card? Check Windows Updates or card maker's Support Downloads webpage for your model.

Check for bad blocks on HD, run ChkDsk and maker's HD diagnostics.
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01 Mar 2010   #14
BostonDriver

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
I would stress test the memory overnight with memtest86. Isolate bad RAM and replace.

Do you have the latest drivers for video card? Check Windows Updates or card maker's Support Downloads webpage for your model.

Check for bad blocks on HD, run ChkDsk and maker's HD diagnostics.

Done all this. Also did a repair install.... still the fundamental issue. c-a-d needed to get the system to "finish" something.

I'm about to try a fresh install, reformatting yet again. It is a PITA, as I have the upgrade version of Win7 (to save $100).

FWIW, I'm taking a SWAG and thinking its the video driver. nVidia Quadro FX 3400, with the (latest?) drivers from Feb of 2010 (64 bit drivers) Screen is just black, until I move a pop-up window, then I see the desktop background. Don't know what to do about it though.

If time permits, and Win7 doesn't make it too painful, I'll install the 32bit version on the same HW just to see... new 1TB disk en route.

For kicks, 64bit Fedora on this exact system (just swap 1TB SATA disk0) flies. No video (or other) issues. 64bit FreeBSD next.
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01 Mar 2010   #15
gregrocker

 

Try any other video drivers, including Vista or beta. Try installing video drivers in compatibility mode (rightclick Properties).

You can clean reinstall using an upgrade version, no problem. DVD will scan the HD upon bootup, see prior OS which is all that is needed to pass flag to accept upgrade version key.
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02 Mar 2010   #16
BostonDriver

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Try any other video drivers, including Vista or beta. Try installing video drivers in compatibility mode (rightclick Properties).
This might help, well, at least help me not waste any more time.

https://www.sevenforums.com/crashes-d...sible-fix.html

Still digesting what I read, but my first pass through reading it seems consistant with the pain I've been through. The driver I DL'ed from the vendor did say FX 3400 and did say Windows 7.

Of course, I'll try this first, JUST released today:


NVIDIA DRIVERS 196.75 WHQL

Quadro Driver Release 196





Version:

196.75 WHQL

Release Date:

2010.03.02

Operating System:

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit

Language:

English (U.S.)

File Size:

103 MB


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02 Mar 2010   #17
theog

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

ME/XP/Vista/Win7
 
 

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02 Mar 2010   #18
BostonDriver

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BostonDriver View Post

Of course, I'll try this first, JUST released today:


NVIDIA DRIVERS 196.75 WHQL

Quadro Driver Release 196


Version:

196.75 WHQL

Release Date:

2010.03.02

Operating System:

Windows 7 64-bit, Windows Vista 64-bit



These have made a HUGE difference. Things are usable. I still need to ctrl-alt-del and "lock" computer, then unlock every few minutes. But before it was every 60 seconds or so.

The screen is still "black" where the desktop background should be at times... but things are improving.

IE is 100% useless right now. It will hang everything. Firefox is just fine.


Can start to "kick the tires".... will see what I can continue to use.

Thanks for the help to date.
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18 Mar 2010   #19
BostonDriver

Windows 7 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post

I'll bet these probs will disappear in 32 bit.
Yup.

I still have the 64 bit install on a disk which I removed from the system.

I plugged in a new 1TB SATA as the only device, installed 32bit version of Win7 on the exact same HW. No issues of note. System still doesn't seem as fast as XPSP3 on the same machine (again, via a different disk.) But orders of magnitude better than 64bit version. Drivers are 64bit versions of of course, as is Win7 itself.

Same HW, all 1TB SATA the same model.

I'm going to stay with 32bit version until I get to know the system a bit better.
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18 Mar 2010   #20
gregrocker

 

Check msconfig to make sure nothing is checked except AV and gadgets/sticky notes if u use em. By cutting out all freeloaders not needed until you start them you gain back a lot of speed.

Win7 should be instantaneous and if it is not, then troubleshoot Event Viewer, Diagnostics Performance log, Generate A System Health Report, Memory Test, HD Diagnostics until you find out why.
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