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Windows 7: Want to make Win 7 System Partition DualBoot

23 Jun 2010   #51
theog

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ME/XP/Vista/Win7
 
 

You may need to copy boot files from Vista drive to your Win7 drive, before deleting the Vista drive.
Than do a startup repair.

Startup Repair
Note: You may need to do startup repair 3 to 4 times.

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23 Jun 2010   #52
gregrocker

 

I don't believe he is trying to delete the Vista drive.

Mark Win7 active, set it as first HD to boot in BIOS, then recover the System MBR into Win7 by running Startup Repair repeatedly from DVD while Vista HD is unplugged.

Once Win7 Starts up, plug back in the Vista HD but keep Win7 HD as first HD to boot in BIOS. Now test to see if Vista will boot on its own by tapping the key given at bootup to get the one-time BIOS Boot Menu, select Vista HD to boot instead of the default Win7 HD.

If this BIOS Dual Boot works, then you don't need to use EasyBCD since you have a much better Dual Boot config: via the BIOS boot order OR one-time Boot Menu ESC key. The HD's don't become interlinked and can come and go as you please.

If you use EasyBCD 2.0 to construct a windows-managed Dual Boot menu, then the drives become interlocked and are harder to extricate later.
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23 Jun 2010   #53
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

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The “Press <F9> to change boot order” message that is displayed in the lower-left corner of the screen
each time the computer is started or restarted in Windows is the prompt to change the boot order.


That was seen in one manual for that model series at http://h10032.www1.hp.com/ctg/Manual/c01215575.pdf

As far as EasyBCD that goes on easy, edits the Vista or 7 BCD store with ease, and works well on both versions. The boot device menu is used here for things like booting from either the optical drive or a usb flash drive when plugged in for things like loading GParted live for cd or running even installing a live distro on one.

Up until 7 was released I ran Vista on drive with the RCs on two others the 32bit RC replacing the old XP. I even had a second 64bit install on the old XP drive later all stand alone and added into each other's BCD where you could set one as default but simply one of the others all on one of the startup boot options screens. The EasyBCD tool also allows you to change the default OS without even going into the bios which is one other thing to consider.

A slight update here to show how things looked last year while the 7 RCs were along with Vista. For each drive's installation of the 7 RCs already having Vista then seen as the 3rd HD from simply swapping data cables the other two had been unplugged during the install to see the two 7 drives made stand alones.

Upon replugging them back in when finished the screen here shows how they were all seen as active primaries. Notice the word "healthy" seen on each there. The one with the 32bit RC later became a second 64bit install as well due to the first being on a drive removed from a WD MyBook Essentials external casing also being a Green Power lower end drive.


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24 Jun 2010   #54
Oldroser

Vista Windows 7 each 64 bit Home Premium
 
 

Let's see if I can remember everything.

I don't want to delete Vista. I would like each separate so if one hard drive went the other drive would still boot. I want to be able to image Win 7 only.

Both Vista and Win 7 are marked as Active but only Vista has System. If this is because I put the Vista drive back into the first slot, that is because I read here that changing things will mess up Macrium images. I could reimage the Vista drive if all went well.

I said this had a simple BIOS. I just looked and it only says hard drive, there is nothing in the BIOS about which hard drive boots first under setting boot order.

I registered, downloaded the beta version of Easy BCD and installed it on Windows 7. It isn't on Vista yet.
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24 Jun 2010   #55
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

When seeing the hard drive item in the bios you have to highlight that by moving with the up or down arrow. Once highlighted you press the enter key to see the list of drives installed on the new screen that comes up. This is how most bioses work.

Once in that screen you highlight the intended drive and often use the NumPad plus or minus key to bring that drive to the top of the list making it default upon the exit and save of the bios changes made. The F10 key is often the assigned key as the alternate exit and save.

As far as imaging any drive what is that drive alone is what is compiled into the image itself. With a 3rd party program like Macrium keeping the same drive letters and drive configuration is important for seeing any image restored later. In 7 even the Home Premium edition features it's own system image creation option as well.
"Yes - Not to network location" is seen in the edition comparison chart. Compare Windows 7 Editions

Drive manufacturers like Western Digital and Seagate also offer their own free version of programs like the Acronis True Image which can mount a backup image create in order to add further to it incrementally if you know which make of drive was used by HP for that model.

Meanwhile the working Vista install will still load either by pressing the assigned boot device menu key to bring which type of drive to boot with for a one time session or by having the entry for both versions seen on the boot options screen added in by EasyBCD where you can set which will be default.

With the 7 drive set as default and Vista added into the bcd store you could still set Vista as the default OS. Vice versa for the 7 entry added into the Vista bcd. If you elect to change the second OS drive letter once both drives are plugged and one is booted into you will need to reassociate the second OS with the new drive letter however in order to still see the second version load when selected.

It sounds complicated but is quite simple once you have worked with it a few times.
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24 Jun 2010   #56
Mike8

Windows 7 32bit, Windows XP Pro., Ubunto.
 
 

or use acronis true image home 2010, you can isolate the system partitions and copy and restore what you want. Other disk or down a network. Win7 backup is OK for the average pc user who is not a technocrat and wants to do things like dual booting.
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24 Jun 2010   #57
SIW2

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Vista x64 / 7 X64
 
 

Hi,

You can put 7 HD first in bios boot order and use Easybcd to add an entry for Vista to the 7 boot menu.

You won't have a problem with macrium images.

With macrium, paragon, acronis, any 3rd party imaging tool - you select which partition you want to back up - and where to store the backup image.

You then select which partition image to restore - then select where to restore it to.

They all work fine.





Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Oldroser View Post
Let's see if I can remember everything.

I don't want to delete Vista. I would like each separate so if one hard drive went the other drive would still boot. I want to be able to image Win 7 only.

Both Vista and Win 7 are marked as Active but only Vista has System. If this is because I put the Vista drive back into the first slot, that is because I read here that changing things will mess up Macrium images. I could reimage the Vista drive if all went well.

I said this had a simple BIOS. I just looked and it only says hard drive, there is nothing in the BIOS about which hard drive boots first under setting boot order.

I registered, downloaded the beta version of Easy BCD and installed it on Windows 7. It isn't on Vista yet.
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24 Jun 2010   #58
gregrocker

 

Look for boot order (not HD listings) in BIOS setup. Expand the HD listed as Nighthawk suggests, if necessary. Which HD is set to boot first? Change it to Win7 HD.

Now what happens? If Win7 boots, then restart and tap the key given on first boot screen for one-time Boot Menu (which should be ESC for HP's, but others say here might be F9 or F10) to see if you can interrupt Win7 boot and boot the Vista HD instead.

If this will work and is satisfactory, then you don't need to install EasyBCD but can boot into Win7 by default via the BIOS boot order, or instead trigger Vista on the one-time Boot Menu key.

If you can't get Vista to boot this way, then install EasyBCD 2.0 to Win7 and Add Vista on the Add/Remove menu.
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24 Jun 2010   #59
Oldroser

Vista Windows 7 each 64 bit Home Premium
 
 

When I go into BIOS setup and move across until I get Boot Order and then go down I get choices of do I want to enable a floppy drive and so on, then boot order, which I can move up or down by pressing F52 or F6 I think. When I land on Hard Drive and hit Enter, nothing happens. No choice of which hard drive comes up. I told you it was very simplistic. When I exit and save and I get a black and white screen with Vista at the top, Windows 7 below, with Windows 7 highlighted as the default and so many minutes ticking away giving me the choice to change from the default Win 7 to Vista. It says Windows Boot Manager at the Top.

I have no idea what you mean when you say Hit one time Boot Menu Esc key or when you say tapping the key given at bootup to get the one-time BIOS Boot Menu, select Vista HD to boot instead.

When starting, if I hit Esc I have choices: F8, BIOS, and Boot Order. If I pick Boot Order, it is CD or Hard Drive if I remember correctly, I will have to go have another look at it. Whichever I pick is immediately started, it doesn't give you this first or last like it sounds like you would.

I use Macronis, I want to image from Windows 7, a Win 7 only to save space and have it so I can use it for the F8 choice in case of emergency and it is a "belt and suspenders" backup to Macrons.

Also, as I said I want either drive to start in case the other fails and that means System on both of them I gather.

This is Windows Home Premium on a laptop with two internal hard drives. Both are healthy, active partitions. System is shown on the Vista partition but not the Win 7 partition. I want Win 7 as the default.

If I am correct in assuming that the only thing I did wrong before was putting Win 7 back in its old slot, and if Macrium doesn't care, then I just have to take Vista out again, put the Win7 DVD in and boot repeatedly from it and if that doesn't work do a system restore and when that works and it is starting all by itself, shut it down and put it in the first position. Then put the Vista hard drive in and see if it will boot. It should still have System on it and Wind 7 should have had System added to it and not been removed by my putting it in the second slot. I can change drive letters in Easy BCDEDIT. Is this correct.
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24 Jun 2010   #60
gregrocker

 

Yes, the Boot menu you accessed when pressing ESC at startup is the one-time Boot Menu, which should give you a choice of HD's if both are registering in BIOS and System.

To make Win7 a System HD you need to write the MBR to it: Make sure it is still marked Active in Vista DIsk Mgmt, power down, Unplug Vista HD, set Win7 as first HD to boot in BIOS setup under Boot Order.

Now boot the Win7 DVD Repair console or Repair CD, click through to Recovery Tools list to run Startup Repair (not System Restore) up to 3 separate times with reboots until Win7 starts on its own.

Now plug Vista HD back in, boot computer, press ESC and see if you are given the choice to boot the Vista HD separately under HD's. Next, restart and confirm that Win7 starts up on its own,. Report back.
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