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Windows 7: Corrupt Album Art Cache

11 Aug 2011   #31
katiebuglove

Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 bit, SP1
 
 

Here's what my Jaangle looks like now--emulating you!
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11 Aug 2011   #32
katiebuglove

Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 bit, SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by boohbah View Post
an easier way to load albums into mp3tag is to right click the folder of the specific album and select mp3tag from the context menu, if you dont see it in context menu reinstall mp3tag and carefully select the context menu checkbox in the setup, then it easy .
Thanks for the tip!
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11 Aug 2011   #33
katiebuglove

Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 bit, SP1
 
 

OMG, got that album fixed. I clicked on something that asked me if I wanted to import picture, I clicked yes, went to folder, clicked on it and set as default. It happened so fast I don't even know where to find this option again, but it worked. My world is perfect now. Happily skipping off into the sunshine, humming something sweet....
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11 Aug 2011   #34
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by katiebuglove View Post
OMG, got that album fixed. I clicked on something that asked me if I wanted to import picture, I clicked yes, went to folder, clicked on it and set as default. It happened so fast I don't even know where to find this option again, but it worked.
I suspect you clicked on the album square in the artist/album pane (upper-left, pane #1) which was currently just black (with no album art associated).

Then you must have right-clicked, and selected "Amazon - album picture". It went up to Amazon, found the associated album art, downloaded it, and associated it with your album in the database.



Note that if you left-click on an album, and then wait a few seconds, Jaangle will AUTOMATICALLY go up to Amazon to try and get the "album review". You don't actually need to right-click and select "Amazon - album review" since if you're patient that will happen automatically. Or, if you're impatient you can right-clcik and select "Amazon - album review" to make it happen faster.

Mostly the "album review" is nothing more than the tracklist (which is still nice to see), but sometimes there's actually a review along with the tracklist. See in my screenshot above that the "Flashdance (soundtrack)" album in selected on the left, and in the INFO pane (lower-right) you see the album art (which is my high-quality 500x500 "cover.jpg" in this case) and the "album review" (if available from Amazon). In the case of the "Flashdance" album, the album review is nothing more than the tracklist.

If there is no album review or tracklist available from Amazon, Jaangle will simply present the "artist biography" information in the info pane area... assuming you've clicked on the artist square in the artist/album pane and waited a few seconds. If you click on the artist square, Jaangle will automatically retrieve artist art/bio from LastFM if you just wait a few seconds. But again, if you're impatient you can right-click on the artist and then select either "LastFM - artist biography" or "LastFM - artist picture". It is this artist picture and bio that is presented in the Info pane when you select the artist square in the artist/album pane.


However, I still would like to get to the bottom of why this one final album did not show its own "folder.jpg" album art, as the rest of your collection except this one album do.

Can you please provide the fully-qualified EXTERNAL path/filename of the album folder in which the music files and "folder.jpg" (which did not display) live. Also, can you provide a screenshot of MP3Tag navigated to that folder, showing the tag contents of the music files in that folder.

There has to be some explanation for why this particular folder.jpg didn't work, whereas your other 800 did.
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11 Aug 2011   #35
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by katiebuglove View Post
Here's what my Jaangle looks like now--emulating you!
Not quite. I see four very significant differences, which you either customized to look that way because you wanted it to look that way, or you didn't customize at all and just got the presentation to look the way it is.

(1) You have no "playlist" pane, which is in the lower-left (pane #3). In your case, your artist/album pane (which for me is in the upper-left (pane #1) extends the complete height of the left side of the program window.

In my case, I have that playlist pane showing. It contains whatever tracks you've selected from your detail tracks pane (upper-right, pane #2) and then right-clicked and selected either PLAY (to replace the existing playlist) or ENQUEUE (to add to the existing playlist).



(2) Your detail tracks pane has very few columns of information showing. I mentioned earlier that you can customize the particular columns shown and their order, by right-clicking on the column headings bar and then selecting "customize columns...".

In my case, I have more information columns shown, and the arrangement of columns differs from yours. In fact, I have enough columns that the horizontal scrollbar is needed to see the second "page" of columns. But I really do want to be able to see things like bitrate, file size, etc.





(3) To get the playlist pane to appear in your setup (assuming you want it to appear, as opposed to having consciously clicked on its "X" to close the playlist pane because you really didn't want it) you need to click on the "+" at the top of the artist/album pane. That will reveal the "Add Pane" dialog.

From the list of available panes, check the "playlist pane" item. Then on the right side, in the group of Position radio buttons, check the "down" radio button to put the playlist pane (#3) at the bottom of the artist/album pane (#1), as I have.



(4) My presentation in the artist/album pane (#1) is "artist - album". Yours appears to be "collection - album". Is that how you wanted it?

So mine has grouped all albums by an artist. The primary list is alphabetical by artist (with the artist picture from LastFM), with the "+" next to each artist. If you click on the "+" it expands that artist, showing the one or more albums by that artist indented (and each with their own album art, either your folder.jpg or in worst case from Amazon), and the "+" changes to a "-".

Note that this "artist - album" organization is by tags, so an album shown isn't necessarily a single-artist album by that artist. It could be a compilation album on which there is at least one track by that artist. So for example, in my screenshot above with my difference (1), you see that there is Donna Summer expanded. The "Anthology CD1/2" albums are certainly hers. But the other two, one a disco compilation and the other the "Flashdance" soundtrack, were "compilations" on which Donna Summer had at least one track.

Jaangle understands all of this because it analyzed the tags, and presents all four albums grouped under Donna Summer because that's what I wanted... the ability to see ALL MUSIC BY DONNA SUMMER in one place. If I select the artist square on the left (with the artist picture) I will see ALL TRACKS BY DONNA SUMMER in the track details pane, and the artist picture and artist bio in the info pane. If I select any of the individual albums I will see just the tracks of that album in the track details pane, and the album art picture and album review/tracklist in the info pane.

That's exactly what I myself want in an "organizer"... because that's really how I browse through my collection. I am looking for an artist, not an album. Once I locate the artist (either by scrolling the artist/album pane or by doing a "search", either simple or advanced) I either click on the "+" to select a specific album, or just click on the artist to get ALL TRACKS FOR THAT ARTIST shown in the track details pane.
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11 Aug 2011   #36
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by katiebuglove View Post
I managed to get them all fixed but one and whatever worked for the other 4 is not working for this one!

The artist, album, song title, everything is fine but I can't get it to show the folder.jpg. In MP3Tag, I can add the pic to the file, but it won't show in Jaangle.

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I don't follow what point this screenshot shows. It's four albums, so I assume it's the working 4.

Are the album titles the external album folder names, or the internal "album" tag field value common to all music tracks within each album folder?

And what is the 5th problem album... name please? And does the external album foldr name match the internal "album" tag field value for each of it tracks? And you have one "folder.jpg" in that album folder?


What if you change your Music Browser pane mode (click on gear and expand the "mode" choices) to be "artist - album" like mine?

Do you now have the problem album showing up under a blank artist art? Or do you see artist art on the artist row but a blank album art underneath, when you expand the "+" next to artist?

I'm still trying to understand more about this problem album, both its name, the artist name, the external album folder name, and the "album" field in the internal tags in the contained music files of that folder.
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12 Aug 2011   #37
katiebuglove

Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 bit, SP1
 
 

Quote:
I suspect you clicked on the album square in the artist/album pane (upper-left, pane #1) which was currently just black (with no album art associated).

Then you must have right-clicked, and selected "Amazon - album picture". It went up to Amazon, found the associated album art, downloaded it, and associated it with your album in the database...
Not Amazon, it's my own artwork for a mix cd.


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However, I still would like to get to the bottom of why this one final album did not show its own "folder.jpg" album art, as the rest of your collection except this one album do.

Can you please provide the fully-qualified EXTERNAL path/filename of the album folder in which the music files and "folder.jpg" (which did not display) live. Also, can you provide a screenshot of MP3Tag navigated to that folder, showing the tag contents of the music files in that folder.

There has to be some explanation for why this particular folder.jpg didn't work, whereas your other 800 did
Not sure if this is what you're asking for but here it is:

C:\Users\Public\Music\World's Greatest Bluegrass Bands

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12 Aug 2011   #38
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Looks to me like you have an "album" value inside the tags of the music file that specifies: Worlds Greatest Bluegrass Bands. Note that there is NO APOSTROPHE in the word "Worlds".

However your folder name is: World's Greatest Bluegrass Bands. This HAS AN APOSTROPHE in the word "World's".

You need to make both values consistent and the same, either by renaming the folder to eliminate the apostrophe on "World's" so that it matches the internal tag "album" value, or vice versa.

I'm sure that's your problem as to why your folder.jpg album art didn't show up for this particular album.

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Also, I'm puzzled as to why there is an album art picture shown in the tag pane, even though I thought you had removed all imbedded album art. Plus, there's no file selected, so I don't even know where that album art is coming from...

Maybe this is how "folder.jpg" works. I know I don't see any album art using my "cover.jpg" in each album folder when I navigate to that folder with MP3Tag.


Finally, if \Music\World's Greatest Music Bands is supposed to be an "album folder", then I suppose this means your music collection does NOT have an "artist" level above albums.

Granted, you've shown a "compilation" album as an example so maybe that's different. You didn't show an example of a "single-artist" album, and whether or not you also have an artist folder level in your collection when single-artist albums are involved.

But in my own personal collection I have single-artist albums organized underneath a folder level for that artist.

For example: D:\Music\The Beatles\Rubber Soul with all the tracks from "Rubber Soul" in that particular album. All of the other albums by The Beatles are similarly structures, e.g. D:\Music\The Beatles\Abbey Road, etc. The "cover.jpg" album art is stored in that lowest-level folder, i.e. the album folder.

I use "artist - album" as my "mode" setting for Jaangle, because I browse music [tags] to play by artist and then album (really, that's also why my music collection is physically structured the same way, since it makes intuitive sense to me).

As far as the handling of "multi-artist compilations" in my own collection, I have invented a pseudo-artist named "Oldies Collections", to be consistent with my overall \Music\Artist\Album design. So it looks like \Music\Oldies Collections. And then underneath this pseudo-artist of "Oldies Collections" I have placed all of my compilations.



And like you, within each tag of each file in each compilation, I have the true artist for that song. I don't use the "album artist" tag, as this is more of an indicative field to organizer programs like Jaangle. In fact, within Jaangle the "artist" item (e.g. in the various "Mode" choices) is the "artist" field in tags, not the "album artist" field.



Note that the above handling of "multi-artist compilations" with (like you've done) the proper artist specified in the tag for each track of the compilation, this facilitates each of these tracks showing up in MODE = "artist - album" Jaangle under each of the artists, with the same compilation album name then indented under each of them. And since the single cover.jpg album art for that single compilation album is in that single album folder, the same single cover.jpg shows up for EVERY artist/album in Jaangle just as it should.

In other words, "artist - album" works perfectly and is visibly just as I want it, no matter whether the albums are single-artist albums or multi-artist compilations. The fact that the tags are correctly built, with each track having the proper "artist" and "album" value, this is what ensures that Jaangle will display things properly.

So even though there may only be one track in my entire collection by an artist found on one of these multi-artist compilations, but it will still display in Jaangle as (a) that artist, high-level, and then (b) the compilation album/art indented under it... simply showing just one track inside that album.

For example, the above screenshot of that first compilation album in "Oldies Collections" shows a track by The Monkees. Here's what "The Monkees" looks like in Jaangle, showing both the artist level and then, indented, that one compilation album with proper art.



That's why I specify "artist - album" for my MODE setting in Jaangle.
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12 Aug 2011   #39
katiebuglove

Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 bit, SP1
 
 

I fixed the album title with the apostrophe. As far as the album artwork, I found how I did it: I right-clicked on the pane where it should have appeared and it gave me options to add one. When I did that it appeared over the picture of the generic disc in the left pane too.

The rest of your post: If I only have one album by an artist, the tracks and folder.jpg are stored in a folder under artist's name. If I have more than one album by an artist, each album is contained in their own folder within the artist folder. Is that what you're aksing?

As far as Jaangle skin goes, I know I don't have mine exactly like yours, I'm still playing with the "gears", etc. Just wanted to show you that I'm using the same skin.

I like mine arranged by album as that is what I look for.

I'll keep playing with it--lots of fun!
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12 Aug 2011   #40
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by katiebuglove View Post
I fixed the album title with the apostrophe. As far as the album artwork, I found how I did it: I right-clicked on the pane where it should have appeared and it gave me options to add one. When I did that it appeared over the picture of the generic disc in the left pane too.
I think you must have actually imbedded that album art into each track of this album, when you were trying to work around the real problem which wasn't understood until now.

But now that you've corrected the underlying problem, I would expect this final album to behave just as all your other albums behave. So you shouldn't have to do anything special, other than put folder.jpg for this album in the album folder and then it should display properly... just as all your other album art displays.

I would select the tracks of this album folder individually, to confirm or deny that you actually do currently have imbedded album art in the tags... which is what you DON'T want. You simply want the single external folder.jpg, in a properly and consistently named album folder like you now have. So if you do actually have imbedded art right now, I would again remove it from these tracks.


However I'm still puzzled, as to how your other albums display in MP3Tag. Unless you have an imbedded album art inside a tag for a track, you should NOT see album art in the tag pane whenever you select an individual track.

Do your other albums show album art, or not?? They should NOT, if there's no imbedded art in the tags.


Quote:
The rest of your post: If I only have one album by an artist, the tracks and folder.jpg are stored in a folder under artist's name. If I have more than one album by an artist, each album is contained in their own folder within the artist folder. Is that what you're asking?
I don't know why you wouldn't have the same album folder under the artist folder with the tracks of that album under the album folder from which those tracks come, all the time? Why only if you have two or more albums by an artist?

I would think that there would be a problem displaying album art in Jaangle, which I had thought looked for folder.jpg in the folder matching the "album" tag field value of a track. I didn't think it used folder.jpg in whatever current physical folder the music file was found in, but I may be wrong about that.

In my case, there's never any ambiguity, since "album" tag field is always 100% the same as the [album] folder in which the track lives, so there can never be any ambiguity or confusion or error. Cover.jpg is ALWAYS in the ALBUM FOLDER, and I ALWAYS HAVE AN ALBUM FOLDER even if the artist only has one album.

In your case, the folder containing folder.jpg for an artist who only has a single album would be the artist's name, and not the album's name. So the "album" tag in the tracks does not match the containing folder name, and if Jaangle looks for folder.jpg in the "album" folder then it wouldn't find one. This might have prompted you to imbed album art into these tracks as your way of producing visible album art in Jaangle, into these special case situations where you only had one album for an artist and thus didn't create an album folder under the artist folder.

Only if Jaangle looks for folder.jpg in whatever is the physcial folder that contains the track would your approach work (of not imbedding art, but simply putting folder.jpg into that artist folder)... unless you overcome this organizational defect by imbedding album art into each of these special-case artist/one-album tracks that live in an "artist folder" instead of living in an "album folder".

On the other hand, if (like me) you strictly adhere to a \Music\Artist\Album organizational structure no matter whether you have one or more albums by an artist... then you can always browse your folders externally using Windows Explorer and you'll always be able to see both your artist collection as well as your album collection, without using a tags-based program like MP3Tag or Jaangle. Seems like that would be useful and informative.

It also would reflect consistency in the implementation of tags and folder.jpg for individual albums. You would always have an "album folder" for an album, and you would always have "folder.jpg" for that album stored in that album's folder, and the "album" tag field for each track from that album names that album folder... no matter whether this is the only album for an artist or just one of many albums for an artist.

And there would never be any problem or confusion or ambiguity about where Jaangle is looking to locate folder.jpg, no matter whether it was looking using (a) the "album" tag value folder name for folder.jpg, or (b) used the current host folder that physically containst the music track. It would always be the same result for where it was looked for and where it was located... namely in the ALBUM folder, which would always exist even if it was the only album for the artist.

Why differentiate in your collection's organization between (a) one album for an artist, vs. (b) two or more albums for an artist? What benefit or advantage does your current arrangement buy you?

I myself would want organizational consistency, no matter how many albums I had for an artist. My collection should always look like \Music\Artist\Album or \Music\Oldies Collections\Album.


But obviously, you're free to build your environment however you want.
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