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Windows 7: Corrupt Album Art Cache

18 Aug 2011   #61
ignatzatsonic

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Dsperber:

Thanks for that. I will give it a go, probably a folder at a time and testing it out on backup copies.

A question:

If I were to do this, might it adversely affect other info within the mp3? I am thinking of playback volume levels in particular. I run all my mp3s through mp3gain and would NOT want to wipe that out. Not sure, but I think that info is not in the tags that mp3tag accesses, but elsewhere in the mp3?

Likewise, will I still be able to read info about the encoder used, bitrate, joint stereo, etc with a tool such as Encspot?

I am experienced with mp3tag, but ONLY in a limited way since I have no interest in most tags. I could not even name what tags are possible.

Damn! Tried to give you some rep and I was rebuffed as I need to spread more around. But kudos to you anyway.


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18 Aug 2011   #62
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by katiebuglove View Post
Okay, you are my new guru--
Wait... I thought I already was!


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I'm officially off WMP!
Welcome to the club. For video, it's really fantastic. But for music... not so much.


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Your tut was excellent, I had the program set to your specs in a matter of seconds, it was darned near automatic
Just a few tweaks off of default, based on my experience and preferences. So it's really very quick, as you observed.

I've tried several different ripping methods in the past, but the "dynamic synch width" is the fastest and most reliable, and spins up the CD quite rapidly. So ripping time per track is typically 6X - 16X, depending on the CD and your drive. Interestingly, CD spin/rip speed does sometimes seem to vary by CD itself.


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and you're right--the sound is excellent!
LAME 3.98.4 is universally regarded as the "best" MP3 encoder. And the parameters I gave you produce the optimal sounding VBR encoding (which is more space-efficient than CBR) and maximum quality, using the maximum possible bitrate available. Remarkably, it is also astonishingly fast.


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MP3Tag
Jaangle
AudioGrabber w/Lame

Can't think of anything else I need, can you?
These are the basics, and for MP3 should get you by without needing anything more.

My list was:
Primary tools: Jaangle, MP3Tag, Winamp, Audiograbber, LAME, FLAC and FLAC-Frontend, ACDSee (still using the old/lean/fast legacy v4.0.1 from yesteryear).

Secondary tools: Musifind Pro Internet Edition, Free Commander, Beyond Compare, CD-Runner, EAC.
So, the next question is whether or not you have a large "retail CD" collection and thus want to organize that, using a CD Database program? That would be Musifind Pro. I also use CD-Runner as my "machine-looking" CD player program. It's just another CD player program, but it's got a terrific looking interface... just like a mechanical CD player, and it also can play all sorts of multi-media audio/video file formats.

What about FLAC? Are you at all interested?

I have Winamp installed as my "external music player" that gets launched from Explorer and all other media/organizer programs (and can even be launched from Jaangle).

I use ACDSee (v4.01) as my image viewer, not just for album art but for everything pictures! It's fabulous as a viewer. (they don't sell it any longer, as the company now only has "Pro" versions... meaning EXPENSIVE AND BLOATED. But if you want I can make my old lean+fast version available to you, as they have abandoned it (what do they know... it is fantastic, and I've been using it for about 15 years going way back to Win95). Let me know.

Finally, in the area of just general-purpose Windows utilities, I almost always use Free Commander instead of Windows Explorer. It's fantastic, and intuitive, and powerful.

I also use Beyond Compare to "sync" my PC music collection with my J3, as well as using it to compare folders and files on the PC in order to keep my two machines coordinated, or for any other purpose where examination of two folders is the goal.
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18 Aug 2011   #63
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Well, I answered my own questions.

Did exactly what you said on a Richard Pryor folder and it worked exactly as you say.

I am still able to read mp3 information in Encspot. And mp3gain still contends that the Pryor files have been processed, so that info was not lost.

Thank you!!
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18 Aug 2011   #64
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
If I were to do this, might it adversely affect other info within the mp3? I am thinking of playback volume levels in particular. I run all my mp3s through mp3gain and would NOT want to wipe that out. Not sure, but I think that info is not in the tags that mp3tag accesses, but elsewhere in the mp3?
Zero effect on anything not in the tag fields being touched.


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Likewise, will I still be able to read info about the encoder used, bitrate, joint stereo, etc with a tool such as Encspot?
Things like the CBR/VBR bitrate, channel mode of stereo/joint-stereo, frequency, etc., are part of the header information on the file. They are not fields in the tag.

So again if that's the information you're looking for then it will absolutely also not be affected by MP3Tag's update of one or more tag fields on one or more files at a time.

As far as information about the encoder used, this is more of a gray area. Depending on how those MP3 files were produced, and whether you use ID3V1 or ID3v2 tags or both, and whether you used the "comment" field/frame, this information may show up in assorted ways. Most commonly it's in a comment, either because you yourself added it or because your encoder put it there for you.

However since it is in the "comment" field/frame, which IS a field in the tag, you SHOULD specify <keep> rather than <blank> in the "comment" item of the tag pane for MP3Tag, if you want to retain this and any other comments during the mass change.

You hadn't mentioned this field earlier as one of the three you wanted to "keep", but now that you've brought it up you can retain all "comments" of any form by simply specifying <keep> on the tag pane.


Finally, I mention one other tag-related program that I used to use before I discovered MP3Tag. MP3Tag is superior in many ways, mostly because it handles FLAC tags as well as ID3 tags, whereas the other program was created before FLAC even existed and thus only supports ID3 tags. Also, MP3Tag supports imbedded album art whereas this other program does not.

But for sheer convenience if MP3/ID3 is all you are concerned with, and no imbedded album art in tags, then you might investigate "MP3/Tag-Studio".

It can do the same type of individual or mass operations, but its user interface is a bit more Explorer-like and very intuitive. Very powerful, and can also "recurse" down through sub-folders for mass-change operations.

For example:




Just one comment on this MP3/Tag-Studio program... it has a GUI-related issue if your Windows font size is not specified as "normal - 100%". If you use "normal - 100%" then it's perfect, but if like me you use say "medium - 125%" then some of the window painting is a bit obscured.

Doesn't affect the function of whatever you can see, but some of the information or other buttons that are obscured obviously are obscured and can't be seen or pushed.

Personally, what is obscured has never been relevant for me, and I insist on running as "medium - 125%" so I've just learned to live with it.

But the program itself is so powerful and intuitive and fantastic, that I still use it today for MP3 (although I find myself using MP3Tag a great deal as well, now that I've got about 15% of my music collection in FLAC).
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18 Aug 2011   #65
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Just finished the operation on all 21,000 files. Took less than 10 minutes to go through all songs.

I ended up keeping: artist, title, album, comments, disk number, and track number. The last 2 will occasionally help me backtrack to an actual CD if I need to re-rip or check something in the liner notes.

A primary reason I did this is because my mp3 player software apparently sorts on the "album artist" tag (if not blank) rather than the "artist" tag. That was causing things to display out of order during playback for those songs in which those two tags were not identical. So I particularly wanted to get rid of "album artist" tags.
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18 Aug 2011   #66
katiebuglove

Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 bit, SP1
 
 

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Wait... I thought I already was!
Wasn't sure if you knew....

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My list was:
Primary tools: Jaangle, MP3Tag, Winamp, Audiograbber, LAME, FLAC and FLAC-Frontend, ACDSee (still using the old/lean/fast legacy v4.0.1 from yesteryear).

Secondary tools: Musifind Pro Internet Edition, Free Commander, Beyond Compare, CD-Runner, EAC.
Aren't Jaangle and Winamp both "players"? And below you talk about CD-Runner. Three players?

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So, the next question is whether or not you have a large "retail CD" collection and thus want to organize that, using a CD Database program? That would be Musifind Pro. I also use CD-Runner as my "machine-looking" CD player program. It's just another CD player program, but it's got a terrific looking interface... just like a mechanical CD player, and it also can play all sorts of multi-media audio/video file formats.
My collection is large, but I "think" I have them organized. One artist folder,all their cd's in that one, each named by their album. You're probably talking about something different, and probably really sophisticated.

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What about FLAC? Are you at all interested?
If I have to go through again, what I've been through in the last week, no thank you. I'll leave that to you pros!

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I have Winamp installed as my "external music player" that gets launched from Explorer and all other media/organizer programs (and can even be launched from Jaangle).
I don't understand why you would need a music player to launch another music player. What am I missing?

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I use ACDSee (v4.01) as my image viewer, not just for album art but for everything pictures! It's fabulous as a viewer. (they don't sell it any longer, as the company now only has "Pro" versions... meaning EXPENSIVE AND BLOATED. But if you want I can make my old lean+fast version available to you, as they have abandoned it (what do they know... it is fantastic, and I've been using it for about 15 years going way back to Win95). Let me know.
Sounds great. But don't go to any trouble. If it's easy enough for you, I'd be happy to have it.

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Finally, in the area of just general-purpose Windows utilities, I almost always use Free Commander instead of Windows Explorer. It's fantastic, and intuitive, and powerful.
I'll check it out. You know how I dislike any Windows feature....

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also use Beyond Compare to "sync" my PC music collection with my J3, as well as using it to compare folders and files on the PC in order to keep my two machines coordinated, or for any other purpose where examination of two folders is the goal.
Sync, as in my Zune? I've got the software for that and it's pretty good. And did you notice I bought a Microsoft product and not an Apple? What was I thinking. But seriously, I do love my Zune. Microsoft got one thing right....
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18 Aug 2011   #67
katiebuglove

Windows 7 Home Premium, 64 bit, SP1
 
 

Forgot to show you what I've done so far....

Corrupt Album Art Cache-ex1.jpg

Pretty girly, I know, but hey! it's my first skin. I'll get better.


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18 Aug 2011   #68
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by ignatzatsonic View Post
Just finished the operation on all 21,000 files. Took less than 10 minutes to go through all songs.
Excellent!


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I ended up keeping: artist, title, album, comments, disk number, and track number.
I had a hunch your original objective needed a small tweak, once you learned about <keep> and <blank> and took a closer look at your tag data.


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A primary reason I did this is because my mp3 player software apparently sorts on the "album artist" tag (if not blank) rather than the "artist" tag. That was causing things to display out of order during playback for those songs in which those two tags were not identical. So I particularly wanted to get rid of "album artist" tags.
I see.

Anyway, case closed! You have emerged victorious.
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18 Aug 2011   #69
dsperber

Windows 7 Pro x64 (1), Win7 Pro X64 (2)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by katiebuglove View Post
Forgot to show you what I've done so far....

Attachment 170966

Pretty girly, I know, but hey! it's my first skin. I'll get better.
Cute!!

Still have no desire for the "playlist pane" (below the album pane on the left)? It will show you the track(s) you've selected to play.

And of course you can either (a) PLAY one or more selected tracks from the tracklist pane, or (b) ENQUEUE additional one or more selected tracks from the tracklist pane.

All of these songs get shown in the "playlist pane", where you can then do further operations on them, select them individually for playing, create/update an M3U playlist from the current contents, etc.

I'm just sayin'...

(click on the blue "+" at the top of any pane to produce the "Add pane" dialog, select the "playlist pane" and select "down" as the position, and push OK. It will now appear as an additional sizable pane under your album pane above it on the left side.)

Incidentally, if you didn't already discover it, there is a "capital T" on the upper-right of the main window. Clicking on it produces a "enlarge/reduce" scale for font size... if you want to make your text characters larger (than what is shown by default, with a zoom scale of "0"). I doubt that you'd want it to be smaller (click on negative numbers), but you might want it to be larger (clikc on positive numbers).
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18 Aug 2011   #70
ignatzatsonic

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

I've also discovered that many extended tags are not displayed by default in the tag panel and thus cannot be mass-deleted, but those extended tags can be added to the tag panel through tools/options/tag panel.

So I have added "length" and "encoded by" to the tag panel so I can then give them a blank value through a mass edit. I assume there is no way to edit tags (give them a blank value) without first getting the tag to appear in the tag panel?

An apparently complete list of tags is here:

Mp3tag Help - Tag field mappings

All is well so far.
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