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Nero And MP3Gain Woes!
The reason I’m posting this is because I’m at my wit’s end trying to solve some problems I’m having with a free software program called MP3Gain—problems I just haven’t been able to solve on my own, no matter how much online research I’ve done. I apologize in advance for the length of this post, but there are so many things that I’m just not able to get my head around. Here’s hoping that some kind soul not only has the patience to read this lengthy plea for help but the knowledge to help me end my difficulties.
Okay, here goes:
I’m relatively new to burning CDs, and am currently using Nero 2015 Platinum. It was my understanding, before I burned my very first CD with Nero that, if I checked the “Normalize All Audio Files” tab, all my mp3 files would be adjusted (via peak amplitude normalization) to the same volume. However, upon listening to the CDs I burned this way, I discovered that on most of them I could indeed hear a noticeable difference, up or down, in volume. Needless to say, it has become quite annoying to have to constantly adjust the volume when listening to my CDs, and I was seriously starting to think that maybe it just wasn’t worth the time and effort.
Then I discovered a software program called MP3Gain.
From MP3Gain’s own website:
MP3Gain automatically adjusts mp3s so that they all have the same volume, but MP3Gain does not use "peak amplitude" normalization as many "normalizers" do. Audio files with very different peak amplitudes can still sound to the human ear as though they're the same volume. Instead, MP3Gain uses David Robinson's Replay Gain algorithm to calculate how loud the file actually sounds to a human's ears.
Upon testing MP3Gain, I came to discover that there was a huge variance in the decibel levels of all of the songs in my collection—ranging anywhere from 75db to 99db! And, to my mind, I thought that THIS must be the reason why, despite checking Nero’s “Normalize All Audio Files” box, most of my CDs still showed major variances in volume. I concluded that I first needed to bring, via MP3Gain, all of the mp3s in my collection to the same decibel level BEFORE burning CDs with the “Normalize All Audio Files” box checked. My reasoning was simple: If all of my mp3s were set at the same decibel level BEFORE I burned CDs with the “Normalize All Audio Files” box checked, then there should no longer be any variances in volume level between each song.
Unfortunately, my reasoning went right out the window when, about a week ago, I came across a little blip about this subject in an online forum (a blip on a web page that, sadly, I neglected to bookmark and, for some reason, can no longer seem to find) that mentioned something along the lines of Nero first converting (by default) mp3 files to .wav format BEFORE the burning process begins, thereby undoing any plus or minus gains made with MP3Gain—thereby defeating one’s purpose!
If this holds true, then I have indeed defeated my whole purpose. True, all of my mp3s may now be at or near the same decibel level, but if I try to burn them to a CD they’ll end up going back to their original decibel values. So what’s the point?
Here’s my first question: Does Nero in fact convert files to .wav format before the burn process begins, and, if so, are all my mp3s simply going to revert to their original values? I need to know this BEFORE I burn any more CDs, because I don’t really wish to waste my time and energy burning CDs whose decibels levels are still going to be all over the place!
If Nero does indeed convert to .wav format first, and normalizing the tracks with Nero will only undo all my work, the only alternative I can see, then, is to burn the CDs without checking the “Normalize All Audio Files” box. But herein lies another problem: Although I set 89.0db as my target level when converting my entire MP3 collection, apparently it’s not a perfect science, and the decibel RANGE for all my songs is actually plus or minus .8db—that is, between 88.2db to 89.8db. And because of this plus or minus .8db variance, I can still hear obvious changes in volume level on any new CDs I burn—not as bad as with the “Normalize All Audio Files” box checked, but nevertheless quite noticeable (especially when, say, 3 songs at 88.2db have just played and then a song at 89.8 pops on—a difference of 1.6db!).
Needless to say, it looks like I’m damned whatever method I use! I certainly can’t be the only person who’s ever encountered this, and I'm at a complete loss as to which way to go. Are these my only two choices, or is there a third alternative that I’m just not seeing? And, if I only have these two choices, which one is best?
I’m assuming that the same thing applies when I’m trying to burn an entire album to a CD (after I’ve used the MP3Gain’s “Album Gain” function)—that checking the “Normalize All Audio Files” box would only serve to undo the gain changes I’ve made to said album. Therefore, I should simply leaving the box unchecked. Is this correct?
Another question: After I merge 8 or 9 tracks from one album together (say for an ambient album) into one long track, do I, (via MP3Gain) use the “Album Gain” function or would I now consider this simply one track and use the “Track Gain” function instead before burning the CD?
In addition, I have some old comedy skits (with sound effects, etc.) that my friends and I did years ago, which, until most recently, sat on the original cassettes onto which they were recorded until I converted them into individual mp3s. Back in the day, we weren’t privy to software programs like WavePad and iZotope RX 4 Advanced (which I have on my computer) that would allow us to edit and clean up these skits to our liking. Now, happily, I’m able to do that. I’ve had no problem removing the hiss from all of these old skits, via these software programs, and they sound great! But here’s the problem: Many of these skits were done over a period of time, sometimes using different microphones and other equipment, and therefore, have different volume levels throughout. And I’ve actually even cut and pasted some parts of some skits into other skits. And all of this was done BEFORE I knew anything about “normalization,” etc.
So now I have all these skits that not only have different volume levels throughout, but, when I burn them to CD, after using both methods mentioned above (i.e., with the “Normalize All Audio Files” box checked, or with the box unchecked and merely burning the mp3s at or near the 89.0db target volume, after using MP3Gain), the volumes of each skit, and on all of the skits as a whole, are all over the place! And I haven’t a clue as to how to rectify this.
Knowing what software programs I have to work with, does anyone reading this post have any suggestions for me? I would imagine that if there was some way to normalize each individual skit FIRST (so that the volume is the same throughout), then (and only then) would I be free to choose from the two burning methods mentioned throughout this letter. But, then again, I haven’t even worked out this particular problem with my main concern—that being how to get the volume on my music CDs to sound the same!
Damn, this is frustrating! Why does this has to be so hard?
It goes without saying that anything at all anyone reading this can suggest to help me figure out some or all the above-mentioned problems would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks for hearing me out.
Last edited by plutosun; 28 May 2015 at 07:55. Reason: misspellings