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Windows 7: How can I backup my DVDs for quick & easy access?

14 Feb 2010   #91
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
Rather than get into all the technicals of decrypting and re-coding/ re-muxing if you do not wish to learn right now,

why not give this a try:
MakeMKV - Make MKV from Blu-ray and DVD


It will take make a single MKV file, from your discs of the main movie, complete with subs, but will be the same size and qaulity as the original source was.
The good thing is:
its one step.
its Lossless
no recode/encoding necc.
fairly quick (depending on your DVD/BD drive speed)

The downside is it will start taking alot more HD space, than a compressed movie will.
especially if your decrypting Blurays which can be upwards of 25-40Gb per film.
4.3-7.5GB for DVDs

If you want to compress them to save space, youll need to to learn some encoding, such as with MeGUI.

You will also need the proper splitters to watch a MKV file. Such as in Shark007s codec pack .. Haali Splitter.
Honestly DVD Shrink is all in one step & pretty easy.

But I'm wondering how much quality loss happens when doing the suggested method that Frostmourne mentioned about reecode the files to matroska and x264/aac? The films will be tiny - 300mb+.

Obviously saving space would be nice along with getting a single file, but at what kind of quality loss?


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14 Feb 2010   #92
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Any time recode a video theres ALWAYS quality loss. No way around it.
x264 is by far the best compression codec.

If you want to compress them, How much quality loss depends on bitrate/settings/file size.
x264 compresses by basically throwing away bits of information the human eye generally can not detect.
Therefore, if set properly, & high enough bit rates the quality loss will seem transparent.
Too low of settings, and this becomes apparent as you will see it..

MKV with AAC/AC3 or MP4 with AAC are both good choices.

If you are taking a DVD movie @ say 1hr45min, & keeping the 720x480 resolution,
300MB will be too small, and will show artifacting.
Will take some experimenting to find where it looks and sounds good to you.

For example, a 1hr45min film :
@ 1500 video bitrate and AAC stereo 192bitrate (around 1.2GB)
@ 1750 video bitrate and AAC 5.1 384bitrate (around 1.5GB)
VS 4-7GB original

Again this all depends greatly on a few factors.
Orginal Source
(some DVD/Bluray compress better than others,,depending how compressed it already is. Results will vary)
what the target resolution is
stereo or surround sound
Target Size


I recommend MeGUI. Also based on the x264 codec.
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14 Feb 2010   #93
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
Any time recode a video theres ALWAYS quality loss. No way around it.
x264 is by far the best compression codec.

If you want to compress them, How much quality loss depends on bitrate/settings/file size.
x264 compresses by basically throwing away bits of information the human eye generally can not detect.
Therefore, if set properly, & high enough bit rates the quality loss will seem transparent.
Too low of settings, and this becomes apparent as you will see it..

MKV with AAC/AC3 or MP4 with AAC are both good choices.

If you are taking a DVD movie @ say 1hr45min, & keeping the 720x480 resolution,
300MB will be too small, and will show artifacting.
Will take some experimenting to find where it looks and sounds good to you.

For example, a 1hr45min film :
@ 1500 video bitrate and AAC stereo 192bitrate (around 1.2GB)
@ 1750 video bitrate and AAC 5.1 384bitrate (around 1.5GB)
VS 4-7GB original

Again this all depends greatly on a few factors.
Orginal Source
(some DVD/Bluray compress better than others,,depending how compressed it already is. Results will vary)
what the target resolution is
stereo or surround sound
Target Size


I recommend MeGUI. Also based on the x264 codec.
Ehh I'll think about trying it, it sounds like a little project just to figure out how to do it with all the tweaking etc. I've got the room, I'll just keep ripping them like normal for now.

But would I be better off using Magic Ripper & getting an easy single .avi file to click on? (which to me seems easier than a bunch of .vob files, but will it play in Media Center?)

Is that a smaller file over all than what DVdshrink would give me?

I just dont understand why DvdShrink isnt pulling the pictures/posters etc?
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14 Feb 2010   #94
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

That will work sure.

But if its using the Xvid codec, it will be, ... blurred so to speak or softer VS the x264 codec, which some actually prefer.
But in the end, if you like the results, then thats all that matters.


Any "one-click" software that just does everything for you will not be as good as a good encoder can do.regardless what codec you choose.
They just require some manualy configuring.

If you want to try MeGUI Id be happy to give you a quick tutorial to get you started for DVD encoding

Completely up to you.

Either way, you may need something like Sharks codec package, and enable ffdshow codec in direct show players.
Youll get better encode results regardless which program you choose.
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14 Feb 2010   #95
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
That will work sure.

But if its using the Xvid codec, it will be, ... blurred so to speak or softer VS the x264 codec, which some actually prefer.
But in the end, if you like the results, then thats all that matters.


Any "one-click" software that just does everything for you will not be as good as a good encoder can do.regardless what codec you choose.
They just require some manualy configuring.

If you want to try MeGUI Id be happy to give you a quick tutorial to get you started for DVD encoding

Completely up to you.

Either way, you may need something like Sharks codec package, and enable ffdshow codec in direct show players.
Youll get better encode results regardless which program you choose.
So how do I tell if DVDShrink is using the Xvid codec and is going to give me blurring?

But would I be better off using Magic Ripper & getting an easy single .avi file to click on? (which to me seems easier than a bunch of .vob files, but will it play in Media Center?)

Is that a smaller file over all than what DVdshrink would give me?

I just dont understand why DvdShrink isnt pulling the pictures/posters etc?
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14 Feb 2010   #96
Pikey

Windows 7 64bit RTM
 
 

[QUOTE=JohnnyScience;569105]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
I just dont understand why DvdShrink isnt pulling the pictures/posters etc?
That's not part of it's functionality , never has been!

I think your worrying too much about nothing in particular .. you copy your DVD to your hard drive with DVDShrink .. you store away the master DVD for safe keeping!

It doesn't get much easier than that ...
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14 Feb 2010   #97
JohnnyScience

Windows 7 64 & Ubuntu 64
 
 

[QUOTE=Pikey;569125]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyScience View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaster View Post
I just dont understand why DvdShrink isnt pulling the pictures/posters etc?
That's not part of it's functionality , never has been!

I think your worrying too much about nothing in particular .. you copy your DVD to your hard drive with DVDShrink .. you store away the master DVD for safe keeping!

It doesn't get much easier than that ...
Yeah but I'd like it to pull the artwork so it shows up in Media center instead of a big green poster or something.

Will Handbrake pull the artwork?
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14 Feb 2010   #98
derekimo

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

 
 

[QUOTE=JohnnyScience;569143]
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Pikey View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyScience View Post

That's not part of it's functionality , never has been!

I think your worrying too much about nothing in particular .. you copy your DVD to your hard drive with DVDShrink .. you store away the master DVD for safe keeping!

It doesn't get much easier than that ...
Yeah but I'd like it to pull the artwork so it shows up in Media center instead of a big green poster or something.

Will Handbrake pull the artwork?
I think you want something like this mikinhosoft: Yammm - Yet Another Media Meta Manager This isn't the updated version but it still works.
Here is a good tutorial to help you get it up and running,
Media Center- Setup Movie Library
This is what I use, every time I add a movie to my collection, YAMMM automatically adds the artwork and metadata. Don't forget to add the file2folder.bat in with your movies folder and use the recommended YAMMM settings in the tutorial and your library can look like this.


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14 Feb 2010   #99
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

Along with what derekimo has suggested theres a few others that good as well for managing your library in WMC.

myMovies is a automated one (not particularly fond of this one personally)

theres also MetaBrowser which will fetch all the artwork, actors etc and can be used alongside MediaBrowser.

Lots of info on all of these in the Media Center Setion of these forums.

Although all a bit different, they do the exact same thing, depending on which one suits your needs/preferences the best.
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15 Feb 2010   #100
Arc

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JohnnyScience View Post

Yeah but I'd like it to pull the artwork so it shows up in Media center instead of a big green poster or something.

Will Handbrake pull the artwork?
No copying/encoding software can pull the movie artwork. Either you have to install a media manager in your media center (as wishmaster suggested), or you may download them manually (what I do).

I obtain the movie posters from google search, and place them in a folder where the movie is located, rename the poster as Folder.jpg, and thats all.
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