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Windows 7: Measuring Usage

19 Mar 2011   #11
ignatzatsonic

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Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

So, if testifying in court, you couldn't testify whether a user had downloaded a cake recipe or H-Bomb technology?

That's good.

Everyone in the US seems to think that ISPs don't have detailed logs (beyond "how much") or cannot tell what a user is downloading------but no one ever offers proof. For some fool reason, it's taken on faith.


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19 Mar 2011   #12
sordid

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Exactly, Ignatz.

There is only one exception - when a federal prosecutor orders us to log details in the future.
But if you were a customer of us and you were taken to court, we couldn't testify whether you were transferring gigs of child pornography or constantly downloading the latest Linux images unless we received that order by an attorney to record FUTURE connections.

I'm really glad that law here in most European countries is extremely strict.
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19 Mar 2011   #13
sordid

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Something else I forgot to mention - logging connections means an incredible amount of work, data saved, heavy investments in the infrastructure.
That alone should keep you safe from being spied by your ISP.
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19 Mar 2011   #14
ignatzatsonic

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Windows 7 Home Premium SP1, 64-bit
 
 

Thanks for the added detail.

What is your candid opinion on the logging activities of other major ISPs, particularly those based in the US.

They don't log detail?

They do, but don't keep it beyond 30 days?

If your users have an IP that changes say once a month, can you still retrieve their activity from an IP they had 2 years ago, if court-ordered? Or is what a user did last month gone forever, regardless of court order?

I'd think the path of least resistance for your operation would be to log only amounts, not content, and even then delete it if the bill was paid.
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19 Mar 2011   #15
richc46

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sordid View Post
Thank you, I will check it out.
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19 Mar 2011   #16
sordid

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by richc46 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sordid View Post
Thank you, I will check it out.
Have fun, it's good software and free of charge.
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19 Mar 2011   #17
sordid

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Unfortunately, I have absolutely no clue about the logging practices of other ISPs.
But judging by some decisions from US courts, I doubt they always had an order to record future connections but kept older records.

Of course it's possible to allocate any given customer to any IP at any given time.
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19 Mar 2011   #18
kodi

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

You could try this one Net Usage Item - Firefox Internet Usage Extension
It is mainly for Australian ISPs but it can be used for other ones.
You need to be using firefox and your ISP needs to have a Usage webpage as yours seems to have.
I can highly recommend this one as it gives you all the detail you need but take up a very small space on your existing toolbar.
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19 Mar 2011   #19
sordid

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

You don't have real flat rates Down Under???
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19 Mar 2011   #20
stormy13
Microsoft MVP

Win 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

They just something from places like this,

Sandvine : Intelligent Broadband Networks - Welcome!

DDoS Protection | DDoS Attack Mitigation | Stop DDoS | Network Security | Arbor Networks

Think you will find that most ISP's at least in North America are using something like the above if they are doing throttling (usually of torrent traffic), of which as I understand it they use DPI (deep packet inspection) to determine what to throttle.

You can get an idea as to which are using it from doing a search over here,

DSLReports Home : Broadband ISP Reviews News Tools and Forums

and search for "sandvine" or "ellacoya". Bell and Rogers are two of the biggest users of this sort of thing at least here in Canada.
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