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Windows 7: Win7 can't access Vista Biz on Workgroup

03 Aug 2011   #11
paul1149

Linux Lite 3.2 x64; Windows 7, 8.1
 
 

Here's what I found:

Reenabling the firewalls and scanners made no difference.
I'm getting strange behavior when I change Sharing and Security on folders. For instance, I removed sharing from the Vista\Users hierarchy, yet it still showed (but was unavailable) on Win7. I then went in and removed Everyone from the Security tab list, and Closed the Properties sheet. But when I went back in, Sharing was enabled again.
I've now discovered that there is a difference between Sharing Permissions and Security Permissions. I had no idea. When I assign sharing permissions in Vista to Win7, my access problem disappeared. When I took Everyone off sharing permissions on Vista\Users, that folder disappeared from Win7, as I wished.

I don't have a handle on this enough yet, to understand what the problem was previous to this experiment. I need to work with it some more, to understand what is going on.

I will get back as I reach conclusions. Thanks again for the guidance thus far!

p.


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04 Aug 2011   #12
paul1149

Linux Lite 3.2 x64; Windows 7, 8.1
 
 

I've got to say, this is working well. This morning, I found my share folder no longer allowed modify permissions across the LAN. Failure of settings to stick has been an ongoing problem. But as soon as I re-granted those share permissions, the problem cleared up. At this point it looks like I needed a lesson on the difference between Share permissions and NTFS file permissions. Now I'm being tempted to retry using Linux as a server along with Win7 clients.

Once again, many thanks!
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04 Aug 2011   #13
paul1149

Linux Lite 3.2 x64; Windows 7, 8.1
 
 

I've got to say, again, that this is screwed. I'm getting extremely uneven results across the network. I had Win7 set not to require passwords, yet one box, an XPh laptop, had to sign in before it could access the shares. I cloned the XP account on Win7: no difference.

I did the same with the Vista account, then set a share to Authenticated. Vista can't access the share. The only thing that seems to work is EVERYONE, period, and even then, I might have to log in from some boxes, on certain days.

This situation is out of control. I understand these things must have a certain degree of complexity, but MS has created a byzantine nightmare. Apparently the only way to get reliable, to say nothing of nuanced, performance is via Pro, with domains.
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04 Aug 2011   #14
2xg

Win7 & Win8 64bit
 
 

It can be frustrating sometimes. Does your computers have the latest SP's?

You may enable back if you have not Windows built-in Firewall and exclude Files/Printer sharing. If you have a Firewall or Security Software, disable the Service running (type services.msc).

Usually Professions/Ultimate Windows O/S's do play nicely on file sharing. You may tweak it more than Home Edition. At work, I never had any issues on any Windows O/S's.

Are both O/S's Vista and 7 both Home Edition?
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04 Aug 2011   #15
paul1149

Linux Lite 3.2 x64; Windows 7, 8.1
 
 

No, Vista is Business, which I guess is the equivalent of Pro. It supports domains.

After I opened everything up to Everyone, I've been using sharing all day here. But then I just expanded the network on the Win7 box, and nothing but the router showed - not even the Win7 box itself. Close/open Explorer: no difference. But on the Vista box, I could access the Win7 share. How on earth can anyone rely on a system like that? The whole thing is so unstable that it is hopeless. MS intentionally dumbed it down, looking for that almighty dollar.

I also played with TrueCrypt to try to get selective access, but it doesn't do it either. Ironically, I can get this pretty easily by uploading to the cloud rather than sharing on the LAN, but that's equally ridiculous.
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04 Aug 2011   #16
2xg

Win7 & Win8 64bit
 
 

Have you tried using mapped network drive rather than going to the Network to find the shared folder?

You may also use the classic method of going to Start then type \\IPAddress\Sharedfolder
I do this all the time, and again creating a mapped network drive is another option if you can get his alternate method to work.
Yes it's equivalent to Pro.
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No, Vista is Business, which I guess is the equivalent of Pro.
NAS(Network Attached Storage) is another solution for File sharing, hassle free to setup. I use this at my home and it works so well.
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04 Aug 2011   #17
paul1149

Linux Lite 3.2 x64; Windows 7, 8.1
 
 

I haven't tried mapping during this latest go-round, except with TrueCrypt, where it worked. The Win7 box decided to show the Vista machine just now, for no reason at all. Still doesn't show itself or the XP box that's on the LAN. I'm afraid this is hopeless. Probably a reboot will refresh things, but this is nothing I can count on. Really makes me want to switch to Linux.

Yes, all boxes are fully up to date.

Thanks for all you help. Be well and be blessed.

Paul
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04 Aug 2011   #18
2xg

Win7 & Win8 64bit
 
 

Pls. try pinging the Vista's IP: ping 192.168.1.2 -t and report if there's any time out in between.

Yes, definitely try the mapping of network drive, then create a shortcut on the desktop from Win7 machine, see if the connection to the shared folder gets disconnected.

Just to verify, you have the latest driver of the Vista's network adapter?
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05 Aug 2011   #19
paul1149

Linux Lite 3.2 x64; Windows 7, 8.1
 
 

The pings went well, but again, by then I could see Vista in the Win7 Explorer. It would be an interesting test for when Vista drops out of Explorer.

All adapter drivers are up to date, as are the Windows installations.

I'm currently testing an external drive, so I can't reboot yet, but I suspect doing so will return the full network to the Win7 box. At that time I'll try mapping, but I don't hold out much hope for anything but an amateur level of file sharing from Home Premium.

Thanks again.
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05 Aug 2011   #20
2xg

Win7 & Win8 64bit
 
 

I switch all our home computers O/S's to Windows 7 Ult/Pro and all File sharing are playing nicely so far.

A great idea to use an external drive for file sharing, again....might be better to consider NAS.
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