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Windows 7: Can't join Homegroup

25 Sep 2009   #101
adaro73

 
 

SOLVED !!!!!
now my pcs have fix IP address, they are connected via fritz box router, and they immediately connect to the homegroup after boot.
i put the two services "homegroup listener" and "homegroup provider" to "automatic", and now it's finally ok, without DHCP!
The only ( very little ) problem i have now is that the router cannot be reached via "http://fritz.box", but only trough its IP address.
If somebody has a solution, i will be very happy
ciao !


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25 Sep 2009   #102
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by adaro73 View Post
SOLVED !!!!!
now my pcs have fix IP address, they are connected via fritz box router, and they immediately connect to the homegroup after boot.
i put the two services "homegroup listener" and "homegroup provider" to "automatic", and now it's finally ok, without DHCP!
The only ( very little ) problem i have now is that the router cannot be reached via "http://fritz.box", but only trough its IP address.
If somebody has a solution, i will be very happy
ciao !
You will have to make an entry in the hosts file.

You can find it in: C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\Etc

Open the hosts file (not hosts.ics) with notepad.

scroll down until you see this:

# localhost name resolution is handled within DNS itself.
# 127.0.0.1 localhost
# ::1 localhost

under the last line type the IP of the fritzbox and then the name, like this:

Example:

192.168.1.1 http://fritz.box

(don't type # in front of it!)

You won't be able to save the file because of system restrictions,
but first save it to your "my documents".

Then copy the file to the right location

C:\Windows\System32\Drivers\Etc

That's it.

Good luck
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26 Sep 2009   #103
adaro73

 
 

YES !!!
it works, thank you very much !
But now i would like to understand why it was working if i let the DHCP work, please explain me this ...
i mean, if all pcs have no fix IP, i was able to find the router by writing its name, when i fixed the IPs, i had to edit the hosts file, why ?
sorry, i am not so good in tcp/ip and networking ...
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26 Sep 2009   #104
sup3rsprt

XP, Seven, 2008R2
 
 

because when you specify a manual IP your computer no longer obtains the DNS search suffix from the router (which it normally obtains via DHCP)
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26 Sep 2009   #105
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sup3rsprt View Post
because when you specify a manual IP your computer no longer obtains the DNS search suffix from the router (which it normally obtains via DHCP)
Couldn't have said it better, nor shorter.

Greetz
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27 Sep 2009   #106
wildbilly

WINDOWS 7 64-bit Ultimte
 
 

ipv6 must be enables for homegroup to work. There was a guy on here that told us to disable it because it is not needed. Turns out....if you want to network you DO need it. TURN IT ON.
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27 Sep 2009   #107
zigzag3143

Win 8 Release candidate 8400
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wildbilly View Post
ipv6 must be enables for homegroup to work. There was a guy on here that told us to disable it because it is not needed. Turns out....if you want to network you DO need it. TURN IT ON.
the guy told people who were having random internet drops and disconnects to disable it just to diagnose the problem. Many ppl are finding that homegroup is such a PITA that they are using workgroup instead

ken
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27 Sep 2009   #108
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by zigzag3143 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wildbilly View Post
ipv6 must be enables for homegroup to work. There was a guy on here that told us to disable it because it is not needed. Turns out....if you want to network you DO need it. TURN IT ON.
the guy told people who were having random internet drops and disconnects to disable it just to diagnose the problem. Many ppl are finding that homegroup is such a PITA that they are using workgroup instead

ken
I agree with Ken,

With regular (old style) networking IPv6 can give conflicts, and therefore the first thing to do when troubleshooting is to turn it off, as well as all firewalls.

With homegroup networking IPv6 needs to be ON.

I have been extensively experimenting with homegroup with 4 machines, and I hate to say this, but MS failed miserably in their effort to make networking easier.

Instead, it introduced a whole new set of problems.
I am not going to mention them all because there are just too many.
But having to link users to live accounts for home networking to be able to restrict users access, is too ridiculous for words.

I recommend people to stick with regular networking, and advanced sharing.
To avoid conflicts one can turn off IPv6, although on my network it doesn't give me any grief.

I for one will not be helping people who have homegroup networking on,
because there are too many pitfalls.

If they switch back to regular nw, I will provide all the help needed.


Greetz
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27 Sep 2009   #109
wildbilly

WINDOWS 7 64-bit Ultimte
 
 

Yes Ken, the person whop told us to turn off ipv6 had more to do with random disconnects than homegroup issues.........

What is the best way to set up workgroup? I have never used it..
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27 Sep 2009   #110
SquonkSC

Win7 Build 7600 x86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by wildbilly View Post
Yes Ken, the person whop told us to turn off ipv6 had more to do with random disconnects than homegroup issues.........

What is the best way to set up workgroup? I have never used it..
To avoid confusion.

Homegroup networking is a name for the new (supposedly) easy way to setup a network.

Setting up A workgroup is the old way.
Just as easy, more secure and more versatile.

There are a few basic principles you have to pay attention to and then it's child's play.

1. Before Vista, all the computers in the network needed to have the same network name.
Although this is not necessary for Vista and Win7, I recommend setting it, just in case you occasionally need to connect a XP machine to the network.

To do this:
click on start orb, in searchfield type systempropertiesadvanced.exe
and press enter.

Goto the Computername tab
click on the edit button
In the "workgroup" box type the name you want for your group.
(This can be anything, but keep it short and simple, and no spaces or strange signs)
There are no objections to keeping the default workgroup name.

After changing you need to reboot.
Do this procedure on all computers.

After changing and rebooting all the computers, they all should see each other in network.

If not, a number of things could cause it.
Maybe you changed some settings in network settings, like discovery.
Or a firewall could be blocking it.

Before you change anything, disable all firewalls, including 3rd party firewalls.
If all computers see each other now, you must examine the firewalls for too strict settings.

If they still don't see each other or not all of them, check back here.

2. If all computers see each other, you need to have at least one shared folder on each of them, to be able to do anything with your network.

Let's set up a shared folder on one of the computers.

a. Open the explorer and go to the folder you want to share.
b. Right click on it, click on properties and select the share tab.
c. now click on advanced sharing.
d. Tick the "share this folder" box.
e. click on permissions
f. for everyone check all the boxes ie "full permissions"
g. click ok until you are back in the explorer
h. close the explorer

You have now shared a folder.

Remember the username and password you use for this computer.
You'll need it later on the other computers.

3. Now go to any of the other computers.

a. open the explorer
b. in the left pane click on network
c. in the right pane doubleclick on the computer you just shared the folder on.
d. fill in the username and password you normally use to login the computer you set up the shared folder.
f. click ok

Now you should be entering the folder.

If not, check back here.

Good luck
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