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Windows 7: Windows 7 Networking Sucks!

02 May 2010   #21
SouthSeaPirate

Windows 7, XP, 2003
 
 

Sorry about that. I can see how that gets a bit confusing. I was just saying at this moment Im on a domain (at work).

My post is entirely about my home network. Its actually quite like yours.

Our network shares are woking perfectly from my station here at work. Im only 1 of 2 with Win7. Only issue I had was getting it to take to the domain. My home network is the hell. My guess is its any share coming from Win7, not to...


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24 Jul 2010   #22
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

It's now July 24, 2010, and windows 7 networking has been SUCKING my time for the last month.

For Christmas I got my wife a new win 7 laptop. Don't recall having any problems integrating it into my small home network of 1 vista and 3 xp machines one of which is also a laptop. Things were running along nicely. We took the laptop on trips. Connected in motels, got home and connected to our network. Shared printers and files. All machines were running McAfee security suite, courtesy of our DSL provider.

Then sometime in early July. Wife said it wouldn't print. No known changes had been made to the network. Tried numerous suggestions on several posts. The one on this no longer applies because the location for the changes suggested do not exist in Windows 7 v6.1(build 7600).

Of the many things I tried, was restoring the system back to June 12, 2010--VOILA! It worked as it had for the first six months. OOPS! Then a couple of updates from Billy Gates and McAfee and it stopped working again. So, restored back to 6/12 then disabled McAfee and manually downloaded the windows critical updates. Networking again worked. Enabled McAfee and networking still worked. Set a new restore point.
Couple days later not working. Went back to restore point that was working and still not working. All the while the non-7 machines are happily playing together. So, yesterday I completely uninstalled McAfee including manual removal of any reference to McAfee in the registry. WINDOWS 7 is STILL SUCKING. Well today I swapped out routers from netgear to a linksys. Everything came up, the non-7 machines are playing together-- the win7 machine surfs the net just fine but doesn't see the win XP's or Vista and they don't see the win7. So, my wife cannot print from her win7 machine. REALLY SUCKS!! Oh! also completely took down the windows firewall. The 7 machine is still hiding.

I GIVE UP!!!! As it is again late tonite, tomorrow I will re-install McAfee, restore the system back to the last point it worked and wait for whichever outfit screwed up my machine with UPDATES to figure out the problem and fix it with another update. If he wife wants to print she'll have to go to any of the other computers.
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24 Jul 2010   #23
Petey7

Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit
 
 

Don't reinstall McAfee!! Did you use the download from the McAfee website to remove the files and registry entries that are usually left over? After you remove McAfee completely, Windows Firewall needs to be enabled. You will then need to set up a workgroup all over again. You may need to restart some or all of the computers. You did make sure you have a workgroup set up and not a homegroup right? If you have a homegroup set up, you will get no communications between XP and 7/vista. If you have McAfee installed, it will not work, ever. I just fixed this same problem with these steps. Since your using such a pathetic AV, you should install MSE or MalwareBytes to remove any viruses that got past McAfee.

EDIT: Yes, all my problems were caused by McAfee and McAfee alone. We had a perfectly working net work until my mom got a new laptop with McAfee preinstalled.
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24 Jul 2010   #24
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Petey7 View Post
...all my problems were caused by McAfee and McAfee alone. We had a perfectly working net work until my mom got a new laptop with McAfee preinstalled.
Agreed.

I think even Satan could learn a thing or two about dirty tricks from McAfee...
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24 Jul 2010   #25
Petey7

Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit
 
 

Work group problem

^thread where i had to get help to determine what the problem was. It was McAfee, plain and simple. After getting rid of it and rebuilding the workgroup, things started working again. I'm not even sure I had to redo the workgroup. I just did it as a precaution to make sure everything would work. I can't remember if we still had problems without doing it or not. I've worked on a lot of stuff sense so it is hard to remember.
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25 Jul 2010   #26
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

It still puzzles me why Windows 7 quite playing nicely after six months. ALL MACHINES during the six months they worked together had McAffee.

Yes, I have used the McAfee download removal tool which does not remove ALL references to McAfee in the registry. After making a copy of the registry, I manually deleted about seven or so references to McAfee in the registry.

Yes! have been using a workgroup for the past 10 years. Have home group disabled in Win 7. If it were soley the problem of McAfee why is it only the windows 7 machine that quit playing with the others?
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25 Jul 2010   #27
Petey7

Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit
 
 

I don't fully understand it but if you read the thread I linked to, you can see what the main cause is and the one of the respondents knows the answer better than I do. All I can tell you is that McAfees new firewall kills workgroups between XP and 7/Vista. I had the exact same problem you describe. The two 7 computers could see each other but not the XP machine. The XP computer could see both 7 pcs. I removed MsAfee, then made sure all computers had the same name for the workgroup. I think I rebooted all three. Problem solved. Keep in mind the last two steps might not have been necessary, I just did them to make sure everything would continue working fine.
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25 Jul 2010   #28
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NNSVolunteer View Post
It still puzzles me why Windows 7 quite playing nicely after six months. ALL MACHINES during the six months they worked together had McAffee...
One of the inherent dangers of any anti-virus program is that they need to be updated on pretty much a daily basis. We all know what happens to computers with out of date definitions, etc.

This in effect means that we are all beta testers on a daily basis. It's no use for a company to wait days, weeks, or even months to release a solid and tested update because we'd all already be infected by then. Chances are, one of their recent updates broke something on your machine.

The reason I dislike McAfee so much is that they seem to do it far more often than most. (That, and the fact that you can have a computer with enough resources to run your programs, or you can have a computer with enough resources to run McAfee. Doing both is tough.)

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...If it were soley the problem of McAfee why is it only the windows 7 machine that quit playing with the others?
Win 7 handles a large number of things quite differently than other operating systems. Most likely, one of the improvements that makes Win 7 so good (in my opinion, anyway) was also what McAfee managed to screw up.
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25 Jul 2010   #29
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

To clarify. Since the problem started in early July, the other machines neither see the win 7 machine nor does win 7 see any of the others.

SOOO! To continue the saga. I now only have the XP print server and the win 7 machines attached to the router. Win xp is hardwired. Win 7 is wireless.

I uninstalled McAffe from XP, rebooted--still not networking with 7; downloaded and ran the uninstall cleanup tool from McAfee, rebooted--still not networking with 7; did regedit found and removed all instances of McAfee still in the registry, rebooted--still not networking with 7.

Changed the workgroup name to LINKSYSA on the XP machine and rebooted, changed the workgroup name on the Win 7 to LINKSYSA and rebooted--still not networking with 7.

Also, have disabled windows firewall on win 7 machine for the network -- not the internet.
Checked windows firewall on XP and it lists the local network as excluded. Oh! forgot to mention that during the 6 months everything was working, even the XP machine that dual boots to UBUNTU would play on the network nicely.

Just rechecked and XP can't see win 7. It's been at least 10 minutes since I rebooted the win 7.
So, went to the basement and unplugged the router, waited for a minute and plugged it back in. My XP see' only itself and win 7 see's only itself. SO! McAfee is completely out of the picture on these two machines, and they are the only ones connected to the router and WINDOWS 7 is still SUCKING my time!!!
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25 Jul 2010   #30
Petey7

Windows 7 Professional SP1 64-bit
 
 

You have something set up wrong then. I have had no other issues with networking between the two OSs, nor do I personally know anyone that does. I'll agree that your problem sounds odd, but I can assure you using McAfee will keep you from realizing when you have found an actually solution. You might want to use the search function here and do a google search to see if anyone else has your issue and has resolved it. I don't know what else might have changed, but I have seen few others blame windows 7 for this kind of problem.
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