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Windows 7: Windows 7 Networking Sucks!

16 Aug 2010   #41
ericpeacock79

XP, 7
 
 

HOLY COW!
That worked GREAT!
fixed a problem i've been trying to deal with for weeks!

Thanx!

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hacku View Post

*** UPDATE WITH FIX ***

I figured out what the issue was and it all had to deal with Windows Security. For anyone else that is interested in this fix, here is what I did.

Start>Control Panel>Administrative Tools>Local Security Policy

Then:

Local Policies>Security Options>Network Security: LAN Manager authentication level
Set it to Send LM & NTLM - use NTLMv2 session security if negotiated

I went back to share the entire drive this time with no problems, and was able to map the network drives on the other computer.



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16 Aug 2010   #42
ericpeacock79

XP, 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Petey7 View Post
...all my problems were caused by McAfee and McAfee alone. We had a perfectly working net work until my mom got a new laptop with McAfee preinstalled.
Agreed.

I think even Satan could learn a thing or two about dirty tricks from McAfee...
many years ago, i used to tell customers AOL was the worst thing to install in your computer.
but now, McAfee (and norton 360) have totally trumped AOL.

want a real headache of a computer to work on?
A Vista system with only 1GB of RAM, mcafee and AOL installed, with a dial-up connection.
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17 Aug 2010   #43
SouthSeaPirate

Windows 7, XP, 2003
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DHag View Post
I've worked with Windows networking since 1995 when I started as a Senior Support Engineer for Windows 95, Network Specialist. I've architected and worked with networks ranging from simple peer-to-peer systems to Enterprise domains. So I know Windows networking. Yes, it's true, Windows networking itself has not changed. But Microsoft has gone paranoid with security stuff that makes it suck.

For sharing and storing files, and running machine-to-machine backups, on my home network, it used to be simple. I would simply map a drive to the other machine's hidden Administrative Share (C$, D$, etc.), using the network machine's Administrator account, and everything just worked.

No more. I cannot connect to a Windows 7 machine's admin shares using the Admin account. Not with basic workgroup sharing. Not with the HomeGroup active. It just won't connect. It just asks for the password over and over and over and....

How can it be a security risk to connect to the Admin share using the Admin account?

I'm about to try the Security Policy settings suggested earlier in this thread. Just wanted to chime in with my complaint about Microsoft's making simple stuff hard with all their "Cover My A**" security crap.
Nailed it 100%

Like I said earlier, "Sacraficing productivity in the name of Security". How can one do this when it totally voids the ability to be productive...

When it is told by the appropriate account with appropriate permissions to do something, it should. That is Windows security, groups, accounts, permissions etc... All the failed 'security' in XP (and Vista) was exploits, not permission issues. So why the locked down OS M$?

Thank God our corporate IT hasnt made us upgrade to Win7 yet... But I think its coming...
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25 Aug 2010   #44
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NNSVolunteer View Post
WORKAROUND SUCCESSFUL!!


*********************WORKAROUND!!

On win 7 machine I mapped the IP address plus folder to a drive letter e.g. \\192.168.1.10\c\mine and sure enough I was able to access that folder on the XP machine. Did the same for the XP machine mapped \\192.168.1.11\users\public and it also worked. Now for the printer, after trying various things I found that going to the Win 7 Devices & Printers>add network printer "Click on Printer Not Shown" in shared printer by name enter the ip address of your XP printserver. Mine is \\192.168.1.10\SamsungM and sure enough it connects and is printing. To further test, I did the same for the IP address of the XP machine that has the epson. It works tonight. CAUTION!! One thing working for me in this workaround is the ability of my router to reserve and IP address for a particular computer name & mac address.

The XP with the laser and the win 7 laptop are shut down each evening. Will only post again if it doesn't work tomorrow, or if win 7 suddenly works with the network in a NORMAL manner.

Win 7 auto update KB982110 & KB2272791 applied 8/24/2010--Now the IP mapping quit working. Guess Billy wanted to suck more of my time
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25 Aug 2010   #45
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Why in the world are you installing LDR non-security updates? Those things have only been tested for the person or company they were written for - don't install anything like that unless you actually need the fixes they provide (and given one's an OLE update and one's a mobile device center update, I'm doubting you're doing it because both are broken at once!).
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25 Aug 2010   #46
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
Why in the world are you installing LDR non-security updates? Those things have only been tested for the person or company they were written for - don't install anything like that unless you actually need the fixes they provide (and given one's an OLE update and one's a mobile device center update, I'm doubting you're doing it because both are broken at once!).

Last night when I shut down this computer, these updates had already been automatically downloaded and they automatically applied as the computer shut down.

Should I not be trusting automatic updates?? Do I need to spend time researching whether or not a particular update applies to my machine??
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26 Aug 2010   #47
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Can you System Restore back to before the updates? That might fix you right up.
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26 Aug 2010   #48
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NNSVolunteer View Post
Last night when I shut down this computer, these updates had already been automatically downloaded and they automatically applied as the computer shut down.

Should I not be trusting automatic updates?? Do I need to spend time researching whether or not a particular update applies to my machine??
That's interesting - I just noticed my machines started seeing 982110 and 2272691 being offered........... so, now that gets interesting. One's an oleaut32 update, and one's an appcompat update, so I'm not sure how they would break networking..... but I guess anything's possible.

With that in mind, as standard troubleshooting, if you remove those two updates, does the problem go away?
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26 Aug 2010   #49
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by profdlp View Post
Can you System Restore back to before the updates? That might fix you right up.

A systems restore to 8/22/2010 again allows the workaround to function. However, how do I keep them from automatically downloading and installing again at shutdown?
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26 Aug 2010   #50
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

How about apply one (the app compat update) and reboot to see if it's broken again? It would be worth figuring out which one (if any) actually causes it, so we can troubleshoot the why.
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