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Windows 7: Windows 7 Networking Sucks!

26 Aug 2010   #51
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
How about apply one (the app compat update) and reboot to see if it's broken again? It would be worth figuring out which one (if any) actually causes it, so we can troubleshoot the why.
To answer an earlier question. Its a Toshiba 17" Laptop with a Win7 32-bit OEM install.

I went to windows update and the updates had already been automaticaly downloaded and were waiting to be installed. I unchecked KB2272691 and proceded with the install of KB982110 which required a restart. After the restart, I could no longer access the network shares.

I noticed the Gold shield on the start button (from past experience that means when I shut down, it will automatically apply a pending update). I shut down and it applied the KB2272691 update.

How do I know which updates are LDR non-security updates? Looking at the update list there are a ton of updates that have been installed over the past year. Perhaps, it was a similar update shortly after 6/12/2010 that fritzed the normal networking -- that had worked for the previous six months. I'm really too busy to do a clean install, besides, not sure I can get the laptop out of my wifes hands long enough to complete one.

Thanks. Any help is appreciated.

P.S. Have never done a win7 clean install but have done over 50 winXP and/or XP Pro clean installs over the past couple years.


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26 Aug 2010   #52
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

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Can you System Restore back to before the updates? That might fix you right up.

A systems restore to 8/22/2010 again allows the workaround to function. However, how do I keep them from automatically downloading and installing again at shutdown?
Windows Update - Hide or Restore Hidden Updates
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26 Aug 2010   #53
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NNSVolunteer View Post
I went to windows update and the updates had already been automaticaly downloaded and were waiting to be installed. I unchecked KB2272691 and proceded with the install of KB982110 which required a restart. After the restart, I could no longer access the network shares.
I'd uninstall 982110 from the control panel, reboot, and verify things work again. Then I'd add 2272691 to the system and test that (I'm guessing that will not cause a problem, as it should only be installing appcompat shims).

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NNSVolunteer View Post
How do I know which updates are LDR non-security updates?
If you look at the update article, it usually tells you the files it's updating, and to the far right it will tell you if they're GDR or LDR/QFE. If you don't see any indication, you can assume it's LDR (these are actually GDR and LDR, so you're getting GDR unless you manually install the LDR bits, or previously had LDR bits). The articles also give you instruction on how to check your system for which type of files they are. For right now, though, let's ignore this point and do the other portion, test 2272691 on it's own with 982110 uninstalled and see if it still breaks after only 2272691 is installed.
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26 Aug 2010   #54
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

For right now, though, let's ignore this point and do the other portion, test 2272691 on it's own with 982110 uninstalled and see if it still breaks after only 2272691 is installed.[/QUOTE]

I did the "uninstall" of these updates. It needed a reboot. After rebooting, the IP workaround didn't work. So, did the restore to 8/22/2010, and after everthing had booted up, I changed windows updates to allow me to screen them before updating. And hid the 2 offending updates. There were actually 3 updates ready to attack. The other KB982670 was marked important. Based on it's description, it didn't look important to processes I use, so I hid it also.

The mapped folders to the XP machines, and the mapped IP to the printer attached to one of the XP's again works. I may get time later this evening to scamble things again to see if 2272691 screws things up on it's own.
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26 Aug 2010   #55
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by cluberti View Post
For right now, though, let's ignore this point and do the other portion, test 2272691 on it's own with 982110 uninstalled and see if it still breaks after only 2272691 is installed.
I created a "Current" restore point. Unhid and installed 2272691. Workaround works. Rebooted even though this install did not request it. Workaround still works. So, looks like 982110 is the one messing things up. KB976422 appeared -- allows larger than 32 GB SD drives -- don't need it, so hid it. Might be getting the hang of TAKING CONTROL of updates I think, I'll only install critical updates until the final Win7 SP1 becomes available. Then I'll install and hope it gets me back to "normal" networking like I had before 6/12/2010.
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26 Aug 2010   #56
profdlp

Main - Windows 7 Pro SP1 64-Bit; 2nd - Windows Server 2008 R2
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NNSVolunteer View Post
...I think, I'll only install critical updates until the final Win7 SP1 becomes available...
That's the way I go. The others just add features or improvements which I may or may not want or need and often aren't worth the trouble.
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27 Aug 2010   #57
cluberti

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

Amen - unless it's security critical, I think most of us would strongly suggest you look closely at what it changes to determine if you need it or not. If you don't think you need it, don't install it. It'll come with the next service pack anyway, and be much better tested by that point (hopefully, anyway).
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29 Dec 2010   #58
NNSVolunteer

Windows 7
 
 

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WORKAROUND SUCCESSFUL!!


*********************WORKAROUND!!

On win 7 machine I mapped the IP address plus folder to a drive letter e.g. \\192.168.1.10\c\mine and sure enough I was able to access that folder on the XP machine. Did the same for the XP machine mapped \\192.168.1.11\users\public and it also worked. Now for the printer, after trying various things I found that going to the Win 7 Devices & Printers>add network printer "Click on Printer Not Shown" in shared printer by name enter the ip address of your XP printserver. Mine is \\192.168.1.10\SamsungM and sure enough it connects and is printing. To further test, I did the same for the IP address of the XP machine that has the epson. It works tonight. CAUTION!! One thing working for me in this workaround is the ability of my router to reserve and IP address for a particular computer name & mac address.

The XP with the laser and the win 7 laptop are shut down each evening. Will only post again if it doesn't work tomorrow, or if win 7 suddenly works with the network in a NORMAL manner.

Win 7 auto update KB982110 & KB2272791 applied 8/24/2010--Now the IP mapping quit working. Guess Billy wanted to suck more of my time

About 3 weeks after posting, the workaround quit working so up until 2 weeks ago have been using a USB drive for networking with Win 7. 2 weeks ago did a complete wipe and retore with OEM restore DVD's. Win 7 has since been playing nicely on my predominently WinXP network. Who know's what went askew before and who knows how long it will work.
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30 Dec 2010   #59
Mil0s

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I tried this too but i still have the same problem.I connected windows 7 and xp much more easily then two PC's with windows 7.I turned off everything that could block the file sharing and i set up everything on my second computer same as my primary PC, and i stil got this when try to access You do not have permission to access \\User-pc\e Contact your administrator to request access
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30 Dec 2010   #60
kegobeer

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 SP1
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Mil0s View Post
I tried this too but i still have the same problem.I connected windows 7 and xp much more easily then two PC's with windows 7.I turned off everything that could block the file sharing and i set up everything on my second computer same as my primary PC, and i stil got this when try to access You do not have permission to access \\User-pc\e Contact your administrator to request access
You are using a crossover cable. You have a different configuration and normal networking may not work for you. I posted a link to how to use a crossover cable in your original thread.
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