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Windows 7: Layman's terms please

10 Dec 2009   #11
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DC187 View Post
Maybe it would help to understand why you have this problem.

Your internet connection has a single IP address.
When your internal network traverses the router out to the internet, Network Address Translation (NAT) takes place, this means that any machine on your internal network will be sharing the single IP address of your external network.
Thus if you go the other way there is no way of determining which machine traffic will be sent to.

There are a few ways around this of course:
- Request a pool of static IP Addresses from your ISP and setup Network Address Translation so PC's you specify can have their own external IP address. No doubt a pricey option and not many home class ISP's provide pools of IP Addresses.
- Use a router with Port Address Translation (PAT), this means you can setup a port on the external interface to translate to a different port on the internal network. So for example you could open up port 3389 to 192.168.1.10, open port 3390 and apply PAT to 3389 to 192.168.1.20
- Use the above tutorial and port forward the appropriate ports
- Use a service like logmein which is completely free and effortless to setup and doesn't require you to modify anything.

I hope that makes sense and hasn't confused further.

The only problem he is having is understanding the turtorial for setting up remote access and setting up port forwarding on his router page. Looks like you missed the part about using laymen's term's? We are trying to keep this as simple as possible thanks, there is no need to do any of things you just described in order for remote access to work. You are only overcomplicating something that is made to be very simple. Lets stick to breaking down the tutorial if you don't mind.


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10 Dec 2009   #12
DC187

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DC187 View Post
Maybe it would help to understand why you have this problem.

Your internet connection has a single IP address.
When your internal network traverses the router out to the internet, Network Address Translation (NAT) takes place, this means that any machine on your internal network will be sharing the single IP address of your external network.
Thus if you go the other way there is no way of determining which machine traffic will be sent to.

There are a few ways around this of course:
- Request a pool of static IP Addresses from your ISP and setup Network Address Translation so PC's you specify can have their own external IP address. No doubt a pricey option and not many home class ISP's provide pools of IP Addresses.
- Use a router with Port Address Translation (PAT), this means you can setup a port on the external interface to translate to a different port on the internal network. So for example you could open up port 3389 to 192.168.1.10, open port 3390 and apply PAT to 3389 to 192.168.1.20
- Use the above tutorial and port forward the appropriate ports
- Use a service like logmein which is completely free and effortless to setup and doesn't require you to modify anything.

I hope that makes sense and hasn't confused further.

The only problem he is having is understanding the turtorial for setting up remote access and setting up port forwarding on his router page. Looks like you missed the part about using laymen's term's?
Apologies if I missed the point, but it seems alot of effort is going into this thread with not much progress, I've made two posts for a quick and easy yet secure method of achieving the desired goal.
I often go off on a tangent sometimes
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10 Dec 2009   #13
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

I only made two posts, one of them was to find out which model of router is being used so we can find him a port forwarding page to make it easy as possible to set up port forwarding.

Not much effort on my part so far but I believe I'am getting right to the point.
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10 Dec 2009   #14
FuturDreamz

Windows 8 Pro (32-bit)
 
 

Instructions for configuring port forwarding for most netgear routers
with this you connect to your home network with RDC and it goes directly to the computer being controlled.
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10 Dec 2009   #15
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by IceFire View Post
Instructions for configuring port forwarding for most netgear routers
with this you connect to your home network with RDC and it goes directly to the computer being controlled.
I was trying to get the exact model because you can look up the exact same page that would show up on the router page for that model but this is better than nothing for sure.
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10 Dec 2009   #16
Barman58

Windows 10 Pro x64 x2 Windows 10 Enterprise x64, Ubuntu
 
 

What I would suggest is take a look at Teamviewer, it works exactly the same if your 2 feet or 2000 miles apart and is totally free for personal use

TeamViewer - Free Remote Access and Remote Desktop Sharing over the Internet
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10 Dec 2009   #17
Damob9k

Windows Seven 64bit build 7600
 
 

Hi Noob1111,

I would have to say it's a +1 for what DC187 suggested. (logmein)

I think it is best if I lay out the pros and cons for both methods and YOU can make a choice.

RDP is brilliant, there is nothing out there that beats it in any department, In a corporate environment and at home (I use all the time to connect into my laptop and my theatre PC to configure and maintain them, and spend most of my day using it at work, logging into multiple servers)

But:
If you want to use RDP from outside of your home network, you will need a static IP address for your router (else you would have to use a dynamic dns service) , and if you wanted to connect to more than one PC you would either have to change one of the PC's RPD port, or use NAT / PAT as mentioned before.

The other and more relevant point is that... Many places block the RDP port from use, I travel around a fair bit and this is quite often the case, so having remote RDP setup can sometimes be pointless.

Now logmein which I believe you can still get for free (but don't quote me on that) , is a perfectly good solution and works very very well (I actually use it a fair bit to connect into most of my family's PC's) And the only configuring you have to do is to go to the web site, download the client software and basically your done.

The advantage with logmein is that it just uses normal internet protocol (http) so you don't need to configure NAT on your router because of course it is already there for your interweb !!

So my personal advice would be to just use logmein (or other similar services) as what you are looking for is only a temporary thing.

hope that helps you to decide which route you want to go down.

Cheers

Damob
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10 Dec 2009   #18
noob1111

Windows 7
 
 

Chev. The router is wgr614 v9.

Are the changes I'm going to make going to be to the host computer or to the computers I want to use while away?

Meaning am I making changes to the computer I am connecting TO or connecting FROM?

Thanks SO MUCH everybody for all your help. this is going to be huge if we can get this to work.

Thanks!!
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