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Windows 7: Building a wifi network using a dialup connection

02 Jan 2010   #11
delusion3000

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Thanks computersplus, I know that dialup is not the best but its not like I have a a fiber optic connection on the shelf!!

In the iPhone, iPod, Wii or PS2, there is no option to configure the network, they just check the available wifi networks and connect to them! Any idea how you can configure the connection? can you do that from Win7?

Up to my info, the ad hoc doesn't work for dial-up, or through another wifi connection but I might be mistaken!


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02 Jan 2010   #12
computersplus

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 
AD HOC

what AD HOC does is set up basic wireless communication between two devices so one can talk to the other all you need is on the host machine to have the dial up connection be a shared connection that way you can have the client machine make the initial dial connection when it accesses the host computer just remember that the host computer has to be turned on for this to work

like I said it does work I have done it it was with XP but it I imagine it will be easier in the newer OS like 7

as for the mobile devices they have to be able to be set to AD HOC I can not think of another way to do what you are trying to do but if anyone else has any ideas as this has never been a popular subject
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02 Jan 2010   #13
RedBirdDad

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I did something like this a *long* time ago when all I had was dialup. I used ICS but instead of doing an Adhoc I used a wireless router that I configured to be just an Access Point. As you've found Adhoc isn't supported an all devices.

To get this to work you don't use the router's WAN port. Only the LAN ports.

Configure the router so it's DHCP server is *OFF*. You don't want it interfering with ICS. You want ICS to hand out IP addresses, not the router.

Reminder: Do *NOT* connect anything to the routers WAN port!

Connect the PC to one of the router's *LAN* ports. In most wireless routers, the LAN ports are really nothing more than a built in ethernet switch that's bridged to the radio. Then configure the router's wireless as you normally would: SSID, good security (WPA2-PSK!).

At this point you've bypassed the router function completely and are using it's radio like a plain old Access Point.

Set up ICS to share the *dial up* line. Any wired clients can connect to any to any of the remaining *LAN* ports on the router. ICS will act like a router through it's ethernet port.

Wireless clients can be configured as if they were connecting to any other wireless router. No Adhoc needed. That will allow the iPhone and iPod touch devices to work.

Like computersplus said, this *only* works if the main PC with ICS is up and running. What I found cool way back when was that ICS would dial up the connection automatically. No need to manually dial it. Any device that needed internet access would trigger the ICS box to dial out.

I used this setup for almost 2 years before I finally got DSL.

Nice thing about this setup is when you finally get DSl or cable, you already have the gear you need! Just reconfigure the router.

Let us know how it goes.

Good luck!
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02 Jan 2010   #14
computersplus

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 
Router

i was thinking about using the router idea I thought i had tried that back when I setup the AD HOC for the client but it was sketchy sometimes it would work and sometimes not i was able to get AD HOC to work stable but as I said it was only two PC's so it was fine wasn't sure about how to work it for the mobile devices my brain doesn't function in the dial up mode that's cave man stuff lol.....
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02 Jan 2010   #15
RedBirdDad

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ICS is a little tricky I know but I used it for about 2 years with out much of a problem.

What I found is Adhoc isn't supported by quite a few devices. Especially handheld devices. Laptops were usually ok.many years ago we tried using the Adhoc method for doing canned wireless demos for our sales group but found running an AP much easier and reliable.
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02 Jan 2010   #16
computersplus

Windows 7 Ultimate 32 bit
 
 
I Figured

I figured there would be someone who knew a little more about it around here got a good cross reference of folks from the IT industry here I normally have always been involved with high speed networks for as long as I can remember I really have not done anything that involved any kind of dial sense Windows 98 days I almost forget how to make a dial up connection lol......
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02 Jan 2010   #17
RedBirdDad

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02 Jan 2010   #18
delusion3000

Windows 7
 
 

lol! I am the cave man himself, just woke up, found a dialup connection and a bunch of wireless devices and a laptop with ethernet adapter. Still though I haven't got a wireless router, and my whole detour is to get them to work without a router.
In theory I cant understand why all the devices should be configured to an ad hoc network, when it is a wifi it should work. I found some stuff on other forums saying that dialup cannot be shared through an ad hoc, that is why you see something like VirtualRouter (google it) the problem is that it doesnt support my ethernet driver.

Have to dig more into it, but thanks for sharing me my misery!!
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02 Jan 2010   #19
RedBirdDad

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WiFi the way you're thinking of it only works in what's called Infrastructure Mode. This requires an Access Point or Wireless Router for all the devices to connect to. In infrastructure Mode, devices can't connect to each other.

If there's no AP or Wireless Router to act as a hub point, then the devices must be put into Adhoc mode. This allows the devices to form literally an adhoc network. There's no central hub point (for lack of a better term). Each device is a peer to every other device it sees.

You can share a device through adhoc, it depends on what you're trying to share. In your case, sharing a dial up connection. That sharing is done through ICS (Internet Connection Sharing) which functions as a router. The WAN port is the dial up modem and the LAN port is your wireless LAN adapter.

Generally wireless LAN adapters are clients. The connect *to* an AP or wireless router because that's all they're capable of. They're *clients*.

Some adapters have software that allows them to support AP mode. It depends on the manufacturer. Even then the support can be iffy. I don't know if your adapter supports it, I doubt it but I didn't check. Another issue is your although your adapter is "compatible" with Windows7, it doesn't have any native Windows7 drivers. The drivers are Vista and they're over a year old.
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