Windows 7 Forums
Welcome to Windows 7 Forums. Our forum is dedicated to helping you find support and solutions for any problems regarding your Windows 7 PC be it Dell, HP, Acer, Asus or a custom build. We also provide an extensive Windows 7 tutorial section that covers a wide range of tips and tricks.


Windows 7: Mixed Win7 / WinXP network issues (again)

06 Jan 2010   #11
patwhatsthat

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Kriemer:
I have found that in a lot of instances the problems, issues, and confusion often stems from users, coming from and OS installed on a fat32 volume and moving to an OS that uses NTFS. In fat32, there was no security tab to fool with and no ntfs permissions to cause problems, however; now, it's a different story and understanding this, is often the first step in resolving such issues. First, share permission, they impact users coming at you from across the network and the setting here decide how much success they will or will not have. Second, ntfs permissions, these are for local file and folder access and can be adjusted, often very specifically to impact a particular user or group of users. Third and maybe most important, when ever you have sharing on an ntfs volume both share permissions and ntfs permissions come into play and for lack of a better explaination are more or less combined. And always, always, always the most restrictive permissions prevails. This has resulted in a lot of people just throwing the everyone group in both places and giving that group full control. Not generally accepted as a best practice for networking security, but it seems to get most over the hump. You need to understand that users are not exactly stand alone entities, they always belong to groups, and since permissions are applied to groups as well as users and again the most restrictive applies, then a user can often be denied access based on his membership in multiple groups, one group being more restricted than the other. I explained that so you understand that it becomes even more confusing when you realize that there is not only one group called users, but another group called authenticated users, and for the sake of sanity I advise you to handle them exactly the same granting the same permissions so as not to confound a user who may be a member of both groups. I hope this helps, at least a little bit, and I haven't confused you even further. You may try looking at this and see if it makes sense to you Combining Shared Folder and NTFS Permissions


My System SpecsSystem Spec
.
06 Jan 2010   #12
kriemer

Win 7
 
 

My position is unchanged, it shouldn't be this difficult. A mixed network should not be more difficult to configure than a WinXP or Win7 network. Clearly there is something missing given the number of question on this subject. MS must recognize that their general audience are not interested in the technical detail of configuration as they have evidently invested significant effort in simplifying Win7 / Win7 networking.

That said, I am now able to network MyDocuments from Win7 to the WinXP machines and vice verse. I still can't connect to a secondary NTFS formatted drive on my Win7 machine from other WinXP computers on my network. I can see the drive, but I continue to fail on a permissions warning. Everything I can see is set to allow.

This is a Virtual Win7 installation, but I am confident this is not the issue.

Doh!!.

Thanks

k
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jan 2010   #13
patwhatsthat

Windows 7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kriemer;487402[B
]My position is unchanged, it shouldn't be this difficult. A mixed network should not be more difficult to configure than a WinXP or Win7 network.[/B] Clearly there is something missing given the number of question on this subject. MS must recognize that their general audience are not interested in the technical detail of configuration as they have evidently invested significant effort in simplifying Win7 / Win7 networking.

That said, I am now able to network MyDocuments from Win7 to the WinXP machines and vice verse. I still can't connect to a secondary NTFS formatted drive on my Win7 machine from other WinXP computers on my network.

This is a Virtual Win7 installation, but I am confident this is not the issue.

Doh!!.

Thanks

k
Couldn't agree more, but yet to many it does seem to be more difficult. That's what keeps us all so busy. In so far as the secondary NTFS formatted drive goes.
Is the whole drive shared at the root, or just multiple folders. Carefull inspect the permissions on each share both share permissions and ntfs under the security tab for each share or at the root and make sure that where ever you actually set the share that it cascades down to child objects and is not inheriting more restrictive permissions from the parent object
My System SpecsSystem Spec
.

06 Jan 2010   #14
kriemer

Win 7
 
 

A bit of information that I have left out.

In order to share the Win7 MyDoc folder I had to "move" it to Libraries/Documents/Public Documents. I haven't seen this step anywhere but it is required (by me) to get the share. I am not able to similarly move the secondary drive.

One of the benefits of testing VMware machines is that I am working and reworking with completely new and clean virtual computers installations. Except for test .txt files my computer and secondary drive are essentially empty. I can restart and not worry about having junked up the OS configuration.

Thanks

k
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jan 2010   #15
kriemer

Win 7
 
 

A bit more info that's been left out:
  1. 2nd drive setup is SATA
  2. The drive shows up in My Computer.
  3. I can add it to Libraries, in which case it shows as a new line item.
  4. The drive shows as a shared network item.
  5. I can "see" the drive on my WinXP machine, just can not access it.
  6. Drive letter is E:\
  7. 2nd drive is mostly empty
I'm sure the answer is staring me in the face.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jan 2010   #16
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Yes your right and it's right here looking back at you. At least that is how I did it.


Attached Thumbnails
Mixed Win7 / WinXP network issues (again)-sharing-d-drive.png  
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jan 2010   #17
kriemer

Win 7
 
 
Been there, tried that (I think)

I've tried that, many times, from many starting points.

I hate to think that it is VMware, but I am running out of buttons to push.

k


Attached Thumbnails
Mixed Win7 / WinXP network issues (again)-permissions.png  
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jan 2010   #18
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

But what confuses me is that you metioned adding Docs to a Library.

If you are using a mixed Op system network then Library's should not be an option for you because it uses the Homegroup which is simply not made to work in a mixed Op system network.

For mixed Op systems on your LAN you need to be using either the Work or Public file sharing options. I've been trying to figure out why everyone keeps attempting to do it that way because it's just not meant to be.

I think that is Msoft's way of getting everyone to install Win 7 all all machines, just so they can use the Homegroup.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jan 2010   #19
kriemer

Win 7
 
 

Now I'm even more confused; there does not appear to be a difference in the sidebar "Library" regardless of what Network setting I am using... and I can not connect unless MyDocs is in the Public Documents part of the Library.

I have removed the secondary drive to simplify this illustration.

Setting are as shown, I can see the c:\ drive, & MyDocs on the WinXP network, I just can't make any changes

k


Attached Thumbnails
Mixed Win7 / WinXP network issues (again)-settings.png  
Attached Images
Mixed Win7 / WinXP network issues (again)-network.png 
My System SpecsSystem Spec
06 Jan 2010   #20
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

That is because you are attempting to share using the Homegroup in a mixed Op system network, it's been tried a thousand time's and I have never seen it work correctly even once.

It Usually ends up with some stuff working and a bunch of stuff that doesn't work. Been there done that. Just trying to save you some grief because everyone keeps trying to do this and it never works.

When you said this> In order to share the Windows 7 MyDoc folder I had to "move" it to Libraries/Documents/Public Documents.

As long as your XPpro machine is in the network then Homegroup sharing is out the window. Won't work right no matter what you do.

All attempts to get that particular network working correctly will be futile. You absolutley need to use either the Work or Public file sharing options if you want everything to work correctly. No Library's can be involve in the equation.
My System SpecsSystem Spec
Reply

 Mixed Win7 / WinXP network issues (again)




Thread Tools




Similar help and support threads
Thread Forum
Network Win7 and WinXP
Hi guys. I've searched this site for this problem but none of the fixed have worked. For many years I have WinXP 2002 SP3 on my desktop computer and I had Vista Home Premium 32bit on the my laptop they would both connect to each other no problem. I've had problems with IE8 on Vista always...
Network & Sharing
Shared folder protection in a mixed win7 and winXP LAN
Hello, I have spent several days trying to figure out how to implement the following scenario. I work for a small company. We have a workgroup of 5 pc's. Two of them are winXp and the rest win7. I have bought a switch and put them all in one network. I have set some public folders with read/write...
Network & Sharing
Performance issues jumping from WinXP to Win7
I've an old PC (Asus A8N motherboard + AMD Athon 64 3000 CPU + 1GB RAM + GeForce6600) but it has always been enough for me because I just use it for MSN, facebook, email, youtube and ocasionally downloading stuff. I was perfectly happy with its speed when I used WinXP, but then I had an...
Performance & Maintenance
WLAN Internet connection issues, timeouts (WinXP works, Win7 not)
On my old netbook with Windows XP 32bit the WLAN works perfect. But I encounter connection issues on my new notebook with Windows 7 64bit. I'm connected to a router. Symptoms: playing games works pretty fine, despite some heavy lags now and then messenger (MSN, ICQ, IRC) work fine and stay...
Network & Sharing
Win7 and WinXP dual boot issues
Hi I have been trying to dual boot winxp and win7 on two different hard drives but no luck. c: = Win7 d: = Winxp I have added winxp entry using easybcd but on booting i get the following error (pls refer image) http://img9.imageshack.us/img9/3341/01062010033j.jpg bcdedit entry from win7...
Installation & Setup
win7, winxp, vista network issues
I have read and I have read and I have read. I have gotten advice from all kinds of posts but NOTHING IS WORKING!!! This is frustrating the snot out of me, ESPECIALLY since I had everything working just two days ago! Here's my setup... Desktop with WinXP Laptop with WinXP Laptop with Vista...
Network & Sharing


Our Sites

Site Links

About Us

Find Us

Windows 7 Forums is an independent web site and has not been authorized, sponsored, or otherwise approved by Microsoft Corporation. "Windows 7" and related materials are trademarks of Microsoft Corp.

Designer Media Ltd

All times are GMT -5. The time now is 07:17.
Twitter Facebook Google+ Seven Forums iOS App Seven Forums Android App