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Windows 7: computers see each other but problems

14 Jan 2010   #51
DWFII

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by aem View Post
Can the OP please advice the decision as to rebuild the OS, otherwise i think we are all lost. 6 Pages and no solve warrants a rebuild.
Why should I rebuild anything? I have a brand new, less than two weeks old, Windows 7 x64 professional machine with roughly six additions to the OS beyond the basic install of Windows and whatever diagnostic crap that Dell put on the box. It seems to run reliably except for its inability to access a remote computer. I have an XP machine...that I have kept clean and defragged and been diligent about...that does every task I ask it to do including seeing and accessing files on the Win7 machine, with no complaint.

If Windows 7 is so fragile that I cannot create a Homegroup and then leave it without destroying the OS, I ought to be dumping Windows 7, not thinking about rebuilding. We all ought to be.

As for six pages...better to contemplate the over 3,000 threads in the Networking sub-topic (and over 24,000 posts) alone...and I suspect less than 30% successful resolutions of the questions that instigated those threads.

What's wrong with this picture folks?


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14 Jan 2010   #52
aem

Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
 
 

We have all given you our knowledge, and advices. No OS comes with defective features. The defects always arises with the setups.

Quote:
I ought to be dumping Windows 7, not thinking about rebuilding.

That is your choice man. We all don't get paid to help others on this forum and if you choose not to take our advices, it's not our lost know what i mean?. At the end of the day, if we cannot help, it's up to you to decide what to do, go to Microsoft and complain about W7 if you want. Doing it here is like water off a duck's back. Cos i know for a fact it's not W7 that's defective. Peace.
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14 Jan 2010   #53
DWFII

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by aem View Post
We have all given you our knowledge, and advices. No OS comes with defective features. The defects always arises with the setups.

Quote:
I ought to be dumping Windows 7, not thinking about rebuilding.

That is your choice man. We all don't get paid to help others on this forum and if you choose not to take our advices, it's not our lost know what i mean?. At the end of the day, if we cannot help, it's up to you to decide what to do, go to Microsoft and complain about W7 if you want. Doing it here is like water off a duck's back. Cos i know for a fact it's not W7 that's defective. Peace.

And I have never demeaned nor denigrated anyone's advice here. In fact, I have taken and tried almost everything people have offered. And I have assiduously thanked people even if they offered little or nothing new.

But I'm not up for rebuild. Not in this lifetime...not for so little and so spurious a reason.

It might be beneficial to observe that at this moment in time the top two (at the head of the list) threads in this topic are:

sharing between Windows7/xp---going nowhere

and

This is so screwed it's impossible

Again, I ask...what's wrong with this picture?
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14 Jan 2010   #54
aem

Windows 7 Ultimate 64Bit
 
 

This is so screwed it's impossible

That guy's got issue with is setup, his ipconfig tells you that his router which broadcasts the wireless network, hasn't given his W7 the correct info for things to work. This is a router/ISP issue. W7 can only obtain what is given to it.

sharing between Windows7/xp---going nowhere

The user is having issue with his Shares. This is a permissions/security issue.

Both these issues are not caused by W7, they are caused by lack of understand on the user's behalf. Understanding can be an issue for the best of us.

All issues stems from somewhere, you cannot continue on with what you want to do if you haven't got the simple things correct. Coverying up poo doesn't mean it won't smell no more.
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14 Jan 2010   #55
acurasd

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by aem View Post
This is so screwed it's impossible

That guy's got issue with is setup, his ipconfig tells you that his router which broadcasts the wireless network, hasn't given his W7 the correct info for things to work. This is a router/ISP issue. W7 can only obtain what is given to it.

sharing between Windows7/xp---going nowhere

The user is having issue with his Shares. This is a permissions/security issue.

Both these issues are not caused by W7, they are caused by lack of understand on the user's behalf. Understanding can be an issue for the best of us.

All issues stems from somewhere, you cannot continue on with what you want to do if you haven't got the simple things correct. Coverying up poo doesn't mean it won't smell no more.

I wouldn't bother with it anymore... it is getting to be like an episode of "The View"

Save your typing time and woooo sahhhh
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18 Jan 2010   #56
DWFII

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

I just wanted to thank everyone for the help and the links to the tutorials.

Remarkably, and contrary to canonical wisdom, I was finally able to get my Win 7x64 Professional system to see and share files with my Win XP sp3 system. And even more shockingly...I didn't have to rebuild either OS. Setting up and joining Homegroups and then leaving them did not break the system, asynchronous dates and times in the bios wasn't in it.

The one question I kept asking...to utter silence...about my username for logging into the XP, turned out to be the key. Only trial and error applied with "relentless patience" revealed the answer.

"For once we are saved by incompetence."

Better a cold wind than a lot of hot air...
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18 Jan 2010   #57
zzz2496

Windows7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Awww, I missed the whole fun by 30 minutes
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18 Jan 2010   #58
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Using the same user name and password was mentioned a couple times I think. Maybe that was never tried for some reason.

Interesing is the fact that I never once had to use the same user name and password to avoid getting prompt when sharing with my XP machine. Maybe because I never set up a user password in the first place.

I set up shares with my Xp machine everytime I installed a new build without a problem. I'm pretty sure if it was a Windows problem I would have found it during any one of those dozen times.
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18 Jan 2010   #59
DWFII

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Using the same user name and password was mentioned a couple times I think. Maybe that was never tried for some reason.

Interesing is the fact that I never once had to use the same user name and password to avoid getting prompt when sharing with my XP machine.

I set up shares with my Xp machine everytime I installed a new build without a problem. I'm pretty sure if it was a Windows problem I would have found it during any one of those dozen times.
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65
(What I got in email notification)
Yes I only reapeated the part about using the same user name and password about twenty times.

Bottom line, if the user fixed the problem then the problem was user error as usual.
Maybe once, definately not twenty. You gave me good advice about the Homegroups and you commented about passwords several times.

But it was the username that was the problem.

And I kept asking "what username and password?" Because, if I may refresh your memory, I had originally set up my XP computer with no username and password (post #11). And yes, I had password protected sharing turned off on the Win 7 machine right from the beginning.

And then, despite my druthers, I ended up creating a username and password on the XP machine...taking your advice among others, if I recall correctly (post #30)...which was attached to the main user/administration account. Yet, as I kept saying, the username I created (and the one I log onto my XP machine with) did not/does not work when I enter it into the prompt to access the network. The password does.

If the truth be known...as I mentioned several times...I got good advice from you and others here. Mostly.

And I thanked you then and I thank you now. Sincerely.

What p**ses me off is the "fan-boy" attitude that has to defend a product that many people see as flawed. A product...or an aspect of it...that, if nothing else, is not clear to those of us who aren't so enlightened as you. And defend it to the point where those of us looking for answers somehow become thorns in the side of all those who know better.

Honestly now...think about it...you don't own Microsoft. Windows 7 wasn't your idea. It's not your dog. You can be objective about it. No one will think the worse of you.

Because when people become so entrenched and so blinded that they start giving out advice like rebuilding the whole OS on a brand new system, and then progress to blaming those who are seeking clarity in the midst of a confusing muddle, they do more harm than good.

If I had taken the advice to rebuild my OS I suspect my computer (or computers) would be dead in the water and I would have a lot more problems than I do now (or did then).

If I were suspicious, I would think there was some malicious intent involved in giving such thoughtless and unsympathetic advice.
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18 Jan 2010   #60
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
What people end up doing is to use the same user name and password on all machines to avoid that password prompt. At least that way you still have a password to gain entry even if they are all the same.

Although the Password protected sharing option in Advanced Sharing settings toggled either on or off should take care of that for you, it doesn't seem consistant for some reason.

I don't use user passwords so I havn't had to mess with any of that.
So I guess you missed this? Page 2 post 12, I didn't waste much time getting to the fix for your problem. I thought you mentioned that you tried that already.

I even mentioned that toggling the password protected setting seemed a bit flaky for some it seemed like. I never set up any user passwords so I never had this problem with accessing other XP machines.

. At any rate I'm glad you figured it out.
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