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Windows 7: computers see each other but problems

18 Jan 2010   #61
DWFII

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

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What people end up doing is to use the same user name and password on all machines to avoid that password prompt. At least that way you still have a password to gain entry even if they are all the same.

Although the Password protected sharing option in Advanced Sharing settings toggled either on or off should take care of that for you, it doesn't seem consistant for some reason.

I don't use user passwords so I havn't had to mess with any of that.
So I guess you missed this? Looks pretty much to the point to me. I guess when you asked about it you forgot to read this post maybe?
No, I didn't miss that. As mentioned above, I had password protected sharing toggled to "off" right from the beginning.

And if it "doesn't seem consistant for some reason," I would suggest that you are the one missing the point. What else in windows 7 is "not (sic) consistant for some reason"?


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19 Jan 2010   #62
zzz2496

Windows7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by DWFII View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
What people end up doing is to use the same user name and password on all machines to avoid that password prompt. At least that way you still have a password to gain entry even if they are all the same.

Although the Password protected sharing option in Advanced Sharing settings toggled either on or off should take care of that for you, it doesn't seem consistant for some reason.

I don't use user passwords so I havn't had to mess with any of that.
So I guess you missed this? Looks pretty much to the point to me. I guess when you asked about it you forgot to read this post maybe?
No, I didn't miss that. As mentioned above, I had password protected sharing toggled to "off" right from the beginning.

And if it "doesn't seem consistant for some reason," I would suggest that you are the one missing the point. What else in windows 7 is "not (sic) consistant for some reason"?
DWFII, after reading this thread several times (I was 30 minutes late by the way), I smiled a bit... I saw some really unique suggestions, glad you didn't follow it

Here's the basics of sharing using SMB, (just in case you're wondering where did you do wrong).

1. You need a username and password on the "Server" side. This is mandatory, you MUST have a username and password. This username can be anything, you can have another user setup as a "remote user". Let's say you have "DWFII" as your main user, you can make user "dwshare" with password "dwshare123", and set it as a remote user.

2. When you access your SMB share (regardless it's Windows 7 or XP or Windows Server 200x), it should ask you username and password, enter "dwshare" as the username and "dwshare123" as the password. It should by then show you the list of shares your computer have for user "dwshare".

3. After you logged in at step 2, the SMB server will check your credentials to Windows's user database, to see what you can and cannot access. Now this is where the NTFS ACLs comes in. On the "Server", you need to make sure that user "dwshare" is included in the ACL of files/folders you share (you can see the ACL by this=> right click the file/folder, go to security tab, look for "dwshare" in the list of users). Now this is the tricky part, you can set "dwshare" to do almost any limitation, only read, read/write, read/write/modify, read/write/modify/full control... This has to be set correctly, or else you'd get the "Access denied" error.

As for fixing date/time, I find this suggestion to be utterly ridiculous, I have a friend at the other side of the globe, he's in New York, I'm in Indonesia, obviously our timezone is 13 hours apart. Yet I can access his share of files over VPN connection with 13 hours time difference. As for rebuilding the system, this suggestion went way over the "too far" threshold...

All you need is the understanding of "How this system works". Anyway, this comment is long overdue...

Just my 2 cents

zzz2496
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19 Jan 2010   #63
DWFII

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

zzz2496,

Well, thanks for your response. Like I say if I were more suspicious I would be concerned about malicious intent. I didn't implement some of those more "creative" suggestions simply because I'm conservative by nature...take things slow, don't rush in...not because I'm an expert. But, in retrospect, there was almost a palpable air of disappointment that I wouldn't just bumble off into the weeds that developed here (posts #'s 46, 48, 53, and esp, 55 & 58) and the more I think about it the more I become suspicious. At the very least it is reprehensible and even juvenile. My old dad used to say "if you aren't sure, keep it to yourself."

The thing about the username and password is that, as mentioned, I had set up my XP machine to boot up without a login. I liked it like that as I could turn the box on and walk away to do other things. When I very reluctantly created a username and password for the XP machine, I used my initials for the username. But when I tried to logon to the network from the Windows 7 machine using that UN it would not work. That's why I kept harping on "username." I might add that I had solved most of the problems following the links to tutorials and even had the network up and recognized by both systems (post #21), long before these ersatz "experts" started advocating rebuilding the OS. I just couldn't log onto the network from the Windows 7 machine because the Windows 7 system wouldn't accept the username and/or password that I used to boot up the XP machine (and the logon failure doesn't tell you which...the UN or the PW). Finally...through trial and error...I tried just "user" and the password and that worked. Don't ask me why.

I detail all this because it might come in handy for someone else who is having similar problems and doesn't want to rebuild his/her OS on both machines.
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19 Jan 2010   #64
zzz2496

Windows7 Ultimate 64bit
 
 

Whoa... where did the post go... I was apologizing...

chev65,

I'm truly sorry if I offended you. It's just that, I know how SMB works, it had trainings on it, I had the official Microsoft textbook for my reference, I had years (6+ years to be exact) of experience setting up SMB server for hundreds of my clients. Although it's old, I do have a Microsoft Certification backing me up (I'm an MCP on Windows 2000 Client(plus Windows XP)/Sever/Network environment).

None of those references "tell" me that a date/time mistake has even remote possibility of "ruining" the process of sharing.

But once again, I'm truly sorry if I offended you...

zzz2496
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19 Jan 2010   #65
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Allow the use of blank passwords on network share?!

Not sharing password problems. Think before you speak. You might learn something new who knows.
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