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Windows 7: Networking question....

08 Apr 2010   #31
iseeuu

 
 

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Trying with SSDP Service (UPNP Discovery) disabled now....

It's obvious something is sending a broadcast packet ... but what and why remain a mystery.
Nope... that wasn't it either....

Still open to suggestions here guys.....
In your "Network and Sharing Center", "Advanced sharing settings", are you using either "Public folder sharing", or "Media streaming"?

Cheers!
Robert


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08 Apr 2010   #32
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
Trying with SSDP Service (UPNP Discovery) disabled now....

It's obvious something is sending a broadcast packet ... but what and why remain a mystery.
Nope... that wasn't it either....

Still open to suggestions here guys.....
In your "Network and Sharing Center", "Advanced sharing settings", are you using either "Public folder sharing", or "Media streaming"?

Cheers!
Robert
Good suggestions...

Public folders is turned off ... has been since the beginning
Media Center and Windows Media player never even made it to the hard disk... so I don't even have media streaming installed.

Thanks.
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08 Apr 2010   #33
MadMaxData

Windows 7 Enterprise x64
 
 

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Yes I know... build a freaking server already....


Gotta' love the little zipper mouthed dude....LOL
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08 Apr 2010   #34
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
Public folders is turned off ... has been since the beginning
Media Center and Windows Media player never even made it to the hard disk... so I don't even have media streaming installed.

Thanks.
Since you have a mixed OS 'home network', are you using any of Windows 7 "HomeGroup" or IPv6 settings / features?

According to this web site, (and I don't offer any assurance of credibility) Windows 7 does not search (or index) network folders. So I am wondering if the source is network sharing ... or something else?

Exploring Windows 7’s New Search Feature (Part 3)

Cheers!
Robert
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08 Apr 2010   #35
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

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Since you have a mixed OS 'home network', are you using any of Windows 7 "HomeGroup" or IPv6 settings / features?
Nope... ipv6 unchecked, Work Network, user/pass sharing...
Indexing off, Search functions never even made it to the hard disk.

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According to this web site, (and I don't offer any assurance of credibility) Windows 7 does not search (or index) network folders. So I am wondering if the source is network sharing ... or something else?
Now THAT is a real good question... I'm not 100% sure.

However I've been putting my HTPC into standby and watching it spin up whenever I click a shared folder, all day. If I take a coffee break, it will sit in standby for hours...
The minute I come back and click any shared folder (on this machine... so for me it's local) it will wake up every computer in the house. It's been going on for a while, but we didn't know what was causing it until the other day...

For the first time in a couple of years, our LAN is shut down with only two machines running, while I check this out... and it appears 100% reliable... I can click any non-shared folder on my system and nothing happens (other than the folder opening)... but the minute I open any shared folder the whole network wakes itself up.

XP does not cause this. Linux doesn't do it... Only Win7.
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08 Apr 2010   #36
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by MadMaxData View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
Yes I know... build a freaking server already....


Gotta' love the little zipper mouthed dude....LOL
But you know what... This is network wide... building a server wouldn't stop it. It would just add another spinup to the list....
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08 Apr 2010   #37
iseeuu

 
 

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Nope... ipv6 unchecked, Work Network, user/pass sharing...
OK ... I am going to jump on this ... it may not have anything to do with your issue ... but there seems to be much confusion in the wild ... like for the word "upgrade" a few months ago. So please forgive me if I over elaborate in the interest of talking the same language?

I use "Home Network" as a generic term to describe what people do in their homes to connect more than one computer / device to a simple unsecured network.

Microsoft uses Home, Work, and Public to label the "Network Location" and simplify security settings for the home user, as explained at this web site: Choosing a network location

Workgroup is the previous method of joining local computers (as in XP), HomeGroup is a new set of default features / functions built in to Windows 7 to make sharing between Windows 7 computers as simple as joining a HomeGroup.

So from the info so far, is it safe to say you are using a "Workgroup" to network your computers, and have manually set only folders of your choosing on each computer as shared?

What I do not understand is why you are using a "Work" network location when a "Home" network location is better suited to your situation?

Cheers!
Robert
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08 Apr 2010   #38
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

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What I do not understand is why you are using a "Work" network location when a "Home" network location is better suited to your situation?

Cheers!
Robert
Hi Robert...
Well, that's pretty simple actually... I have Win7 on two machines --and FWIW I've discovered they both do the thing I'm trying to stop-- I have XP on my HTPC and my Netbook, my youngest is learning Ubuntu on his machine and we have a number of "guest in" computers that are XP and even a Mac. Homegroups, the new win7 thing do not play well with mixed operating systems, XP, Ubuntu and Mac can't follow the new features... so it's back to Workgroups and XP style by-folder sharing that everyone understands.

There's also the matter that many switches and routers do not play well with IPV6, they may pass it through based on the imbedded dotted quad, but they don't know the first thing about the new protocal... And Homegroups use IPv6... sooooooooo....


Anyway... a little progress report here...

I think I may be one step closer to understanding this...
It seems the problem is (in part) because of the highlighted part in the image...

Networking question....-capture.jpg

With network discovery (get list of computers) turned on and SSDP active (Find UPNP devices) and the Distributed Link Tracking client (track links over networks) running, simply opening a browser window will cause it to probe the network.... I currently have these services defeated and it's not waking everything up until I click on one of the host icons... (as it should be)... Odd thing is, even with network discovery off, it still finds the active computers on the net... ????

I'm wondering if someone can try a little test for me... Temporarily close your navigation pane (WE -> organize -> layout -> Nav. Pane) and see if opening a local folder that is shared wakes up other computers on your network.... I know it's a bit to ask but it would be really helpful at this point....


I currently have SSDP, Distributed links and Network discovery off... so far so good.

What a day!


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08 Apr 2010   #39
iseeuu

 
 

That is encouraging! I will be watching your thread to see what else you come up with.

I am also wondering about your power settings. Are using sleep or hibernation? Do you have your hard drives spin down? Can you leave the offending computer up with only the monitor going to black so there is no change if the hard drive is accessed?

Cheers!
Robert
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08 Apr 2010   #40
WindowsStar

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
I found it... and it only took me 4 hours....

In my network adaptor settings...

Control Panel-> Device Manager -> Network Adaptor -> Properties

there is a setting called "Device Sleep on Disconnect".
Disabling that seems to have stopped the problem.



FWIW... The sheer level of clarity with which these options are named, never ceases to amaze me.
I don't have this option on an: Intel(R) 82567LM-3 Gigabit network card.
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