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Windows 7: Networking question....

09 Apr 2010   #51
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by WindowsStar View Post
Over all this time somehow I guess I ended up with all Dell machines. I would guess that is because we use them at work and over the years I have learned them well. All the machines I have purchase new or used have been Dell. Currently the only machine that is not Dell is my Server. Over the many years I have had Dell, Gateway, Compaq, HP, and Toshiba. Plus a bunch of others that are now completely gone. IBM, CompuAdd, Zeos, and AST. And the many custom built machines too.

This has been a true mystery.
One way to pin it down a little bit is to turn *everything* off, even your server and NAS... see if any of the machines will boot up when there's nothing else going on...
If they don't I'd say you can be reasonably sure something is sending wakeup packets ... which is what's happening on my Win7 machines... They both do it... I suspect the only reason the other machines don't start from power off is that I've prevented that at the BIOS level... but then again, most are on all the time anyway so I can't be sure it wouldn't happen....


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10 Apr 2010   #52
Ryan2320

Windows Seven x64
 
 

CommonTater, and WindowsStar

Your problem might be a Magic Packet and/or Wake on pattern match, try disabling both..

In Device manger find your network adapters, and click properties, then click the Advanced tab and scroll down until you see either Magic Packet or Wake on pattern match (or both) and disable them..

Hope this Helps..
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10 Apr 2010   #53
WindowsStar

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ryan2320 View Post
CommonTater, and WindowsStar

Your problem might be a Magic Packet and/or Wake on pattern match, try disabling both..

In Device manger find your network adapters, and click properties, then click the Advanced tab and scroll down until you see either Magic Packet or Wake on pattern match (or both) and disable them..

Hope this Helps..
Yep, tried all that no difference.
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10 Apr 2010   #54
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ryan2320 View Post
CommonTater, and WindowsStar

Your problem might be a Magic Packet and/or Wake on pattern match, try disabling both..

In Device manger find your network adapters, and click properties, then click the Advanced tab and scroll down until you see either Magic Packet or Wake on pattern match (or both) and disable them..

Hope this Helps..
Ryan... please see my explanations of why I cannot do that. I need that functionality because these computers do have to wake up when needed... This is a family wide net scattered all over the house, some of us are on shift work, and some of our friends and relatives do sign in as guests at all hours day and night...

WindowStar has a much different problem than mine... his machines are turning themselves on at random and unpredicatable times...
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10 Apr 2010   #55
Duke of Alinor

Win7 32 / 64 and XP 32 / 64 (on various other computers as well)
 
 

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I know this will sound obvious but couldn't you just turn all your PCs off at night when they're not being used?
Ditto. I could never understand why people leave their rigs running all the time. I turn mine off just to catch a 30 minute TV show, then fire it back up. I'm not a big fan of hibernation either. To each their own I guess.
Very easy to understand.
1) I am impatient, screw that boot time, I want to use the computer NOW.
In my case things are much worse, water cooling, Peltiers, heavy overclock so my pre-boot time is like 30 seconds while things stabilize.
2) Theoretically the computer lasts longer. Think inrush if you have the background.
3) No telling when someone will want my shared files or to add to mine
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10 Apr 2010   #56
Ryan2320

Windows Seven x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ryan2320 View Post
CommonTater, and WindowsStar

Your problem might be a Magic Packet and/or Wake on pattern match, try disabling both..

In Device manger find your network adapters, and click properties, then click the Advanced tab and scroll down until you see either Magic Packet or Wake on pattern match (or both) and disable them..

Hope this Helps..
Ryan... please see my explanations of why I cannot do that. I need that functionality because these computers do have to wake up when needed... This is a family wide net scattered all over the house, some of us are on shift work, and some of our friends and relatives do sign in as guests at all hours day and night...

WindowStar has a much different problem than mine... his machines are turning themselves on at random and unpredicatable times...
CommonTater,
Sorry I missed that..after reading 6 pages on this issue, I was probably jumping to conclusions. my apologies .. (I am complexed about this issue)

WindowsStar,
You might have already checked, but did you check your BIOS, anything there that might say Wake on LAN? Also are your computers on a wireless network, or are they wired together??
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10 Apr 2010   #57
CommonTater

XP Pro SP3 X86 / Win7 Pro X86
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ryan2320 View Post
CommonTater,
Sorry I missed that..after reading 6 pages on this issue, I was probably jumping to conclusions. my apologies .. (I am complexed about this issue)
No need to apologize. This thread has gone places I didn't expect and still no real solutions in the offing. Perhaps I should clarify...

The original question --which quickly became a family problem-- was why would windows 7 wake every computer on my lan whenever I locally accessed a folder that just happened to be shared? For example: I share my downloads folder, if I click on it on my desktop it will bring the computer in my son's bedroom out of sleep, the one in the rec room spins up, my better half's machine wakes up and the HTPC spins up... The XP machines do not do this, only the two Win7 machines (mine and my wife's)
To this point we had problems with occasional spinups that started about a month ago and hadn't connected them to shared folders on the Win7 machines... It seems Win7 wants the entire network to be active all the time...

This became a family problem when my youngest was on night shift and was sleeping during the day... he was just getting asleep when I hit a folder here and his machine spun up, the monitor came on and of course the disturbance woke him up... I don't blame him for being upset... I would be too...

So, as the thread details I tried several experiments trying to see if there was a feature or service I could shut down to prevent this... and there isn't.

Subsequently I've realized that it's not just shared folders... it's ANY folder. But, if I turn off the navigation pane on the Win7 Explorer it only does it on shared folders... It's actually Win7's "network tree" in the navigation pane enumerating the network that's causing the spinups.

I've managed to stop the problem by jerry rigging the HTPC to never sleep (monitor off, disk drives off... otherwise fully awake) and disabling the Network Browser service in the other machines.

Now... this whole Win7 thing has grown into a big family debate... Some time ago we decided that we really should be updating the lan to something newer than XP... so we decided to spend the bucks and get all the kids a copy of Win7 Ultimate as a gift and get the thing up to modern specs. Well... it's been a month since I put it in my machine and started trying to sort it out so the kids would have "drop in" installs on theirs and in this last month I've done very little other than mess with this computer and fish this forum for answers to questions... It's really becoming a problem for us... the family wants their stable network back, my BH wants Win7 for a new venture she's rolling out in May... I don't much care what OS I'm on but I'm the one that's got to make this whole thing work...

Last week I had no choice but to XP back in the HTPC machine --or face a family rebellion-- after Win7 proved to be totally useless for playing multimedia files. It's an ASRock ION 330 box (Intel Atom dual core, 2gb ram, 500mb hd, Nvidia ION chipset)... Under 7 it couldn't even play mp3s, they would stutter make weird noises and change speeds for no apparent reason. Avi playback was bad, with frames being dropped and the sound sputtering. 1080p was impossible on that machine. Now that I put XP back in it, it can play 1080p from blueray, stream avis out the network and defrag the disks all at the same time...

So that's kinda where we are... The whole clan will be here later today for supper and to discuss this issue... I'm sure it will be an interesting conversation but not so sure what's going to come from it... I'm not too fond of having 6 copies of Win7 ultimate sitting unused in a box in the garage... Thats a total waste of $1200. But that's likely where this is heading.

In all my years in computing, nothing we've done has ever been so contentious as this Win7 upgrade...
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10 Apr 2010   #58
WindowsStar

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ryan2320 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by CommonTater View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Ryan2320 View Post
CommonTater, and WindowsStar

Your problem might be a Magic Packet and/or Wake on pattern match, try disabling both..

In Device manger find your network adapters, and click properties, then click the Advanced tab and scroll down until you see either Magic Packet or Wake on pattern match (or both) and disable them..

Hope this Helps..
Ryan... please see my explanations of why I cannot do that. I need that functionality because these computers do have to wake up when needed... This is a family wide net scattered all over the house, some of us are on shift work, and some of our friends and relatives do sign in as guests at all hours day and night...

WindowStar has a much different problem than mine... his machines are turning themselves on at random and unpredicatable times...
CommonTater,
Sorry I missed that..after reading 6 pages on this issue, I was probably jumping to conclusions. my apologies .. (I am complexed about this issue)

WindowsStar,
You might have already checked, but did you check your BIOS, anything there that might say Wake on LAN? Also are your computers on a wireless network, or are they wired together??
Thanks, checked BIOS, checked all wake on LAN settings, not to mention that I don't have anything sending Wake Packets. I don't need them or use them. However I tried sending Wake Packets from 4 different software’s and no machine will wake up.
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