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Windows 7: Network Map

30 Apr 2010   #11
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RP McIntosh View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
For the XPsp3 machine to show up on the network map you need this hotfix.
Network Map in Windows Vista does not display computers that are running Windows XP

Well, I looked at the link, but was told it was for Windows Vista, and I should look at Windows 7. So I did. And after a good bit of searching, I found an article here

Why are computers missing from the network map?

that told me how to activate te Link Layer Topology stuff. When I went to do that, the items they told me to check were already checked. So guess that must not be what is causing the odd behavior.
That hotfix will work for Windows 7 also. There is a tutorial on it here.
XP Computers in the Windows 7 Network Map

If your machines still don't show up you will need to take them out of the workgroup then rejoin the workgroup again. The other machines not showing up are usually just the machines that aren't turned on.

If you want to share the entire drive you can do the following. Although it can be a security risk.

Open My Computer -> right click Local Disk D -> select Properties -> select Security tab -> click Edit button -> click Add button -> enter the name of the User you want to set Security permissions (it is the same user name you've set the sharing permissions for, ex. Everyone will set the read permissions to every user which will attempt to connect to your shared drive) -> click OK -> select the desired permissions -> click OK -> wait while permissions are set -> and your Done.



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30 Apr 2010   #12
RP McIntosh

Windows 7 Ultimate 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RP McIntosh View Post
But I'm missing how that folder would be any more secure than the drive itself, not to mention the fact that it would require not only moving the entire contents of the existing drive to that single subfolder, but also (if there were any applications on the drive), reinstalling them, or painfully and manually updating all of the paths used by the application.
Many years ago, when I bought my first replacement hard drive (425 MB), I was intent on maximizing usage with smaller partitions, moving programs to other drives, separating data by storing it on external media. Actually, it consumed a lot of time and was quite inconvenient. Ever since hard drives passed 100 GB, I find it most convenient to just put all of Windows and its programs in the default C:, and store files and data I want preserved on an external drive. This convenience saves me time and energy.

Evidently, your requirements for how you need to use your computer are different. That I do not understand the reason for those requirements is not important, nor is it intended to say what you do is wrong.

I do think our topic could be divided up three ways: 1) the utility of file sharing between computers, 2) the security of a "home network", and 3) basic "computer security".

1) Like any file cabinet, it is easier to find things when stored in folders in numeric or alphabetic order. A hard drive is no different. Dividing up your data in to categories of sub folders may take longer to setup, but is easier to use afterwards, whether sharing on a network or not.

2) A "home network", connecting two or more computers together to share files, presents almost no security risk, as long as you do not setup remote access to your "home network" from the Internet. There is no increase or decrease of risk if you share folders on a hard drive, or just share the root of the drive and everything inside.

3) The risk to the security of a computer comes almost 100% from the connection to the Internet. (You can infect your computer by installing infected software from storage media as well.) Do you close and lock the doors to your home at night before you go to bed? What is keeping a criminal on the outside of that door? A small piece of brass held by a thin striker plate, with two screws into a wooden frame? One good push from the shoulder of a determined person would shatter the door frame into splinters. But you still close and lock your doors? If you left the doors open, a criminal would have complete access to your home. Basic computer security, limited user account, password protection, limited sharing to folders, is like closing and locking your doors. Accessing the Internet from an Admin account, no password protection, and unlimited sharing between computers on your home network is like leaving your doors open, allowing total access to your system if it is compromised.

Of course the choice is yours, depending on your needs. But why should you insist on learning through bad experiences when you could learn from those who have already experienced the bad and learned how to minimize the damage if their computers are compromised? There are dozens of computer gurus, members of this forum, who have amassed 20 to 30 years of experience with computers in general, and, more specifically, keeping safe in a risky WWW. We are happy to offer advice and suggestions to all who ask, without criticism, and to help fix things when they get broken.

Cheers!
Robert
Robert--

Thanks for your thoughts and input. And I'd have to say that there is little that you say that I disagree with. We DO have different approaches to what constitutes "convenience," but what is convenient for one person is an annoyance for another. For example, I detest automatic updates of ANYTHING, and turn them off. Doesn't mean I don't update. I update my antivirus software at least two or three times a day, and update the operating system (or at least check for updates) at least once a week. My sister thinks it is "convenient" to not have to manually check for updates. I think it is "convenient" to not be interrupted or have my internet access slowed by a program updating itself. Both of us are right, because we perceive convenience differently.

I think that I take reasonable steps to protect my system. I have firewall and antivirus software (and a hardware firewall on my router) that are updated religiously. I am experienced enough not to be lured into phishing schemes, or to open e mail attachments from folks I don't recognize, and I steer clear of web sites that are frequently the source of viruses or malware. None of that, of course, will guarantee protection. Just as the locked door in your example can be breached, so can the protections you give your system. In the final analysis, one needs to be prudent, but not paranoid.

The essence of my question was, "Is there anything more dangerous about sharing with myself (basically what is happening when I have only two computers, and am the only user of either), and accessing them totally independently. And I think the answer to that is, as you said in your note, There is no increase or decrease of risk if you share folders on a hard drive, or just share the root of the drive and everything inside."

As for learning from the experiences of others, I'm always open to that. But though I am new to networking, I'm NOT new to computers or computing. I've been using computers since 1991, and have been a Special Contributor on a few different online forums. So, as I see it, I also have experiences that I can fall back on, as well as learning from the experiences of others. I'm no spring chicken, but I like to think that I'm still capable of learning, and it is a rare day that I don't learn something.

I do thank you very sincerely for your suggestions and comments.
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30 Apr 2010   #13
RP McIntosh

Windows 7 Ultimate 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RP McIntosh View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
For the XPsp3 machine to show up on the network map you need this hotfix.
Network Map in Windows Vista does not display computers that are running Windows XP

Well, I looked at the link, but was told it was for Windows Vista, and I should look at Windows 7. So I did. And after a good bit of searching, I found an article here

Why are computers missing from the network map?

that told me how to activate te Link Layer Topology stuff. When I went to do that, the items they told me to check were already checked. So guess that must not be what is causing the odd behavior.
That hotfix will work for Windows 7 also. There is a tutorial on it here.
XP Computers in the Windows 7 Network Map

If your machines still don't show up you will need to take them out of the workgroup then rejoin the workgroup again. The other machines not showing up are usually just the machines that aren't turned on.

If you want to share the entire drive you can do the following. Although it can be a security risk.

Open My Computer -> right click Local Disk D -> select Properties -> select Security tab -> click Edit button -> click Add button -> enter the name of the User you want to set Security permissions (it is the same user name you've set the sharing permissions for, ex. Everyone will set the read permissions to every user which will attempt to connect to your shared drive) -> click OK -> select the desired permissions -> click OK -> wait while permissions are set -> and your Done.
Thanks. Didn't dawn on me that it is the XP machine that I needed the hotfix for. Will give it a try.
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30 Apr 2010   #14
iseeuu

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RP McIntosh View Post
As for learning from the experiences of others, I'm always open to that. But though I am new to networking, I'm NOT new to computers or computing. I've been using computers since 1991, and have been a Special Contributor on a few different online forums. So, as I see it, I also have experiences that I can fall back on, as well as learning from the experiences of others. I'm no spring chicken, but I like to think that I'm still capable of learning, and it is a rare day that I don't learn something.

I do thank you very sincerely for your suggestions and comments.
You are most welcome, RP. You have come to the right place! There is a wealth of knowledge here. The longer you hang around the more you learn. If you haven't already, check out the tutorial section including the "Networking" area: Windows 7 - Tutorial Index

Please feel free to add your knowledge and experience. Your input is welcome and encouraged. No one here knows everything. And we share your pleasure in learning!

Cheers!
Robert
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30 Apr 2010   #15
RP McIntosh

Windows 7 Ultimate 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by iseeuu View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RP McIntosh View Post
As for learning from the experiences of others, I'm always open to that. But though I am new to networking, I'm NOT new to computers or computing. I've been using computers since 1991, and have been a Special Contributor on a few different online forums. So, as I see it, I also have experiences that I can fall back on, as well as learning from the experiences of others. I'm no spring chicken, but I like to think that I'm still capable of learning, and it is a rare day that I don't learn something.

I do thank you very sincerely for your suggestions and comments.
You are most welcome, RP. You have come to the right place! There is a wealth of knowledge here. The longer you hang around the more you learn. If you haven't already, check out the tutorial section including the "Networking" area: Windows 7 - Tutorial Index

Please feel free to add your knowledge and experience. Your input is welcome and encouraged. No one here knows everything. And we share your pleasure in learning!

Cheers!
Robert
Robert--

Thanks for your kind comments. Since I'm brand new to Windows 7, I doubt that I'll have much to contribute yet. But I have already learned a lot on this forum. The folks here are very patient, and helpful. Belive me, I'll be back often. And if and when I feel that I have enough experience to contribute, I'll certainly do so.
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01 May 2010   #16
RP McIntosh

Windows 7 Ultimate 64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by RP McIntosh View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by chev65 View Post
For the XPsp3 machine to show up on the network map you need this hotfix.
Network Map in Windows Vista does not display computers that are running Windows XP

Well, I looked at the link, but was told it was for Windows Vista, and I should look at Windows 7. So I did. And after a good bit of searching, I found an article here

Why are computers missing from the network map?

that told me how to activate te Link Layer Topology stuff. When I went to do that, the items they told me to check were already checked. So guess that must not be what is causing the odd behavior.
That hotfix will work for Windows 7 also. There is a tutorial on it here.
XP Computers in the Windows 7 Network Map

If your machines still don't show up you will need to take them out of the workgroup then rejoin the workgroup again. The other machines not showing up are usually just the machines that aren't turned on.

If you want to share the entire drive you can do the following. Although it can be a security risk.

Open My Computer -> right click Local Disk D -> select Properties -> select Security tab -> click Edit button -> click Add button -> enter the name of the User you want to set Security permissions (it is the same user name you've set the sharing permissions for, ex. Everyone will set the read permissions to every user which will attempt to connect to your shared drive) -> click OK -> select the desired permissions -> click OK -> wait while permissions are set -> and your Done.
Just wanted to update you on the status of this problem. I did go to the web site you gave me and downloaded and applied the hotfix to my XP machine. And now my network map looks good.

I do appreciate very much the information you provided that resulted in this problem being resoloved. No doubt, I will have more problems in the future, but it is nice to have one less now, thanks to your help.
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