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Windows 7: "Ethernet" Connection Drop

19 May 2009   #111
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sexytool View Post
I've actually noticed far better connectivity since doing the Tweak7 reset to default settings.

I'm not getting pages in my browser having their connections reset anymore and i'm not getting any lag in my browser between a click + a load its going at the proper speed.

Seriously, give resetting to default values a shot with Tweak7 if you're getting connection dropouts.

I've noticed nothing but improvements since doing it myself.

Chances are that certain software versions and driver installs are setting non-default settings and that's where the issue is cropping up from.
well like i said, i havent heard of or used this program. Would have to look it up myself. What "defaults" does it set it back to? I havent played with any settings on the RC, yet, such as TCP. So..... like anything like this, registry cleaners etc... i am very noid when it comes using these on a system, especially on a beta


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19 May 2009   #112
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

ohhhhh... i see.... Tweak 7 is ye ole TweakXP

hmm... well even tho i liked this program and used up until version 4... one would still have to be weary of what its doing still. Also some things in the past did much of no use to the changes it claimed to make to improve whatever it changed. Like the ole "speed up my network" checkbox.... that thing did nothing, lol.... never understood how they were going to make my 10/100 go any faster on my current HW, wiring, adapter setup. Which i came to the conclusion that there wasnt much if any difference with that tweak. Honestly the only thing i used it typically for was the mem optomizer/defragger/cache clearer, that was/is fairly reliable.

I may give it a shot, only on the ole basis that when i first tested XP i found this tool when it was in development. Will be interesting to see "how far they have come" since then.


Edit: I now remember why i dropped TweakXP and all Totalidea software i came across. Their tech support and just overall support is is null:dev (there is none).
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19 May 2009   #113
sexytool

Windows 7 dual with XP SP2 ((Highly Custom))
 
 

Aye captain. Full Speed Ahead!
For xp my tweaking set was usually Poledit, TweakUI, Pagile > RAM manual registry tweak, pagefile on a different HDD to windows, TCP Optimiser from SpeedGuide.net, Litestep, StyleXP, sometimes Y'z toolbar, Sidebar if i wasn't running Litestep, A-patch, messenger+, XP Tools, using ProcessExplorer as a taskmanager replacement, a tweak to force the use of the classic style control pannel... that categorised version gives me the ****s, a TCP max gloal connections changing utillity.. errrr... a registry hack to completely disable mouse accell.... XD

That's just counting what i've stored on hard drive.
My manual registry changes + tweaks go forgotten and number in the hundreds on my year old XP install by now.

Now do you understand why i used to kill every XP install i used until M$ re-wrote list of windows updates to install without the windows installer and be corruption free?
Eventually one of those tweaks killed XP within a month generally, until they re-wrote them.

I haven't gotten around to testing any of these tweaks in W7 yet... not sure if i will to be honest as it's really not needed.
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19 May 2009   #114
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sexytool View Post
Aye captain. Full Speed Ahead!
For xp my tweaking set was usually Poledit, TweakUI, Pagile > RAM manual registry tweak, pagefile on a different HDD to windows, TCP Optimiser from SpeedGuide.net, Litestep, StyleXP, sometimes Y'z toolbar, Sidebar if i wasn't running Litestep, A-patch, messenger+, XP Tools, using ProcessExplorer as a taskmanager replacement, a tweak to force the use of the classic style control pannel... that categorised version gives me the ****s, a TCP max gloal connections changing utillity.. errrr... a registry hack to completely disable mouse accell.... XD

That's just counting what i've stored on hard drive.
My manual registry changes + tweaks go forgotten and number in the hundreds on my year old XP install by now.

Now do you understand why i used to kill every XP install i used until M$ re-wrote list of windows updates to install without the windows installer and be corruption free?
Eventually one of those tweaks killed XP within a month generally, until they re-wrote them.

I haven't gotten around to testing any of these tweaks in W7 yet... not sure if i will to be honest as it's really not needed.
As a great chicago cubs broadcaster would say "Holy Cow!". That is alot of junk in the trunk there. No need for any of that nowadays since the SP2. Like yourself, i was a tweak freak early in XP days, but alot of that has been ironed out over the years. Another reason why i practically dumped tweakXP. The TCP limit is actually a joke, or a myth, in alot of ways. I dont care what you set the limit to on your pc, if you are on a router, that router will only hold so many open IP sessions. Which also include the timeout non established connections and TIME WAIT for that matter. So the router's tcp/udp connecton timeout limit is more in play here than the actual "limit" on the pc locally. Like i stated about the "speed up my network" myth for tweakXP, i have yet to in all my days, see a difference when "patching" or editing the reg. The only time i seen any affect, and by that i mean dramatic, was back in the win98 and early XP days (pre SP1). That had to deal with the RcvWin. The reason for that was simple, back then not many ppl were on broadband, just dialup, therefore the system was not optomized to handle the difference without the RcvWin reg edit.
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19 May 2009   #115
sexytool

Windows 7 dual with XP SP2 ((Highly Custom))
 
 

hmmm. The stock TCP limit is 100, average router these days supports 10,000+ connections. a 1.5mbit connection averages 1,000 an ADSL2 connection 2,000 and i have no idea for an ADSL2+ connection, i haven't hit it yet.

For "Speeding up my network" which for me translates as "Faster File Copying" i use Totalcopy Nethorror edition or vanilla.

I'll miss that in W7 :<

The TCP optimiser will tweak;
Max theoretical connection speed
LAN MTU
Black Hole Detection
Selective ACKs
Max Duplicative ACKs
Window scaling and timestamping for TCP 1323
IE Max connections per server and subserver
Host Resolution priority
QoS
DNS erorr caching
LAN Request buffer size

Probably missing a few.
They made a tremendous difference on XP SP2, W7 natively is equally as fast.

EDIT: Now also running the latest version of ProcessExplorer, Litestep 0.4.5 LOSI installation.
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19 May 2009   #116
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sexytool View Post
hmmm. The stock TCP limit is 100, average router these days supports 10,000+ connections. a 1.5mbit connection averages 1,000 an ADSL2 connection 2,000 and i have no idea for an ADSL2+ connection, i haven't hit it yet.
Not sure about your stats about routers supporting 10,000+ connections. Not your everyday home/residential router atleast. Even if, can you imagine how many fans would have to be on that chip as it would be on fire. For instance, even my given firmware, the limit set for open ip sessions is set at 2048, at full steam ahead, i'm lucky to reach 55% of that (10mbit connection). Has no matter of what type of connection you are on, reguardless, even if fibre. Has to do with how many sessions you are opening up for the use of or traffic in and out. You could just have a handful open while downloading the RC from MS while on fibre, that doesnt mean that there will be more sessions opened up or trying to establish, just on that alone while maxxing out your broadband throughput.

Personally there wont be a need for residential routers to support 10,000+ until cloud computing would become more mainstream, along with something to the effect of the "bit", which really is the culprit for high # of sessions, and IP sessions not timing out and clearing like it should, or atleast fast enough for one's liking. If timeout set too low, then you have the other side of things... its a fine line, tightwire balancing act. I have not however crashed this router due to an open IP session overload. Tho i havent aimed to do so either.
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19 May 2009   #117
sexytool

Windows 7 dual with XP SP2 ((Highly Custom))
 
 

Highest max global simultaneous connections was 12k odd with a Seimens 6450 on ADSL1 @ 8mbit.
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19 May 2009   #118
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sexytool View Post
Highest max global simultaneous connections was 12k odd with a Seimens 6450 on ADSL1 @ 8mbit.
I dont doubt that there are routers out there that do support alot of open sessions, just not many of your everyday residential routers, like netgear, linksys, belkin, Dlink, etc. Some of those do support alot, but are more geared and thought of for a heavy Lan usuage overall, and it being the "Headend" router of the office or gamer/enthusiatic residential home customer. This will be more mainstream as we go in the future for sure, but the router and chipset will have to be able to handle such a load on the router. Alot of these routers keep open sessions for up to 5 days in cache as well with the stock firmware. This also could be the issue of ethernet drops, hard wired. The adapter shouldnt crash if you have a good driver, it could be the router crashing instead. This i have investigated in my case, even tho its a wireless issue, but only this specific adapter is problem prone and what seems to be doing is "crasheing only the wlan side of the router", not the entire router itself. It also doesnt depend on open session limit or whether its download or upload or both. Also doesnt matter where the download/upload is using for transport, or the software, or to/from a specific location or time of day, etc etc.

Tho i still have alot more tests that i want to run on this router and overall network before i place final blame. One convincing factor is the intel wireless chip has had no issues at all, only that it loses connection when the desktop wirless loses it during any "heavy load" (up or down or both with no set pattern). Even if i was losing connection by being in a bad wifi area, the laptop which is usually in the same room as router also crashes, which doesnt make alot sense. This has happened with two routers, 2 different models, using stock and 3rd party firmware of different versions. All while using the same adapters to connect
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19 May 2009   #119
sexytool

Windows 7 dual with XP SP2 ((Highly Custom))
 
 

Yes that's definately a tricky one. Perhaps try putting the router on a UPS to see if it's a problem with power fluctuations?

What brand are you using? I know d-link and netgear have issues with their hardware routers, they crash wireless-only and need a restart to fix it.
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19 May 2009   #120
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sexytool View Post
Yes that's definately a tricky one. Perhaps try putting the router on a UPS to see if it's a problem with power fluctuations?

What brand are you using? I know d-link and netgear have issues with their hardware routers, they crash wireless-only and need a restart to fix it.
currently am using the wrt54gs v8, the other being just a wrt54g v7.2 i think( ....

currently on the gs, am running dd-wrt v24 RC-7 which was/has been the best version for this model/version router, tis why i havent upgraded. Same goes for the wrt54g as its running an older version 23 (dont have up to give you exact version of 23). Both routers previously were rock solid with the given dd-wrt. One of the tests i've yet to try, in my case, is to have the 2nd router in client mode, and use the physical ethernet from the 2nd router to connect via ethernet on desktop. That would atleast test the wlan side of things.
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