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Windows 7: "Ethernet" Connection Drop

27 May 2009   #211
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

if anything here ST, i have found that using multiple utility configs confuse the adapter. Atleast this is and WAS my experience with it and multiple adapters and their software under XP, my dlink which is now dead, did the same thing the same way. I always used zero config. If i'm allowing windows to "configure" and NOT the utility itself, then why am i not seeing problems, if its JUST the software thats the holy grail. Why do i not have problems with my ethernet after installing an OLD chipset driver from GA's website, instead of the 7 driver, or for that matter the nvidia driver, too which there is no more support for the nforce4 boards now. Atleast they took them out of the dropdown box just this week. One has to resort back to the old 15.23's. which i didnt use on this install, but did on 7100, as well as the OLD chipset driver. None which worked properly.


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27 May 2009   #212
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

another thing... about your netcomm example. If that was the case, it not working without its utility software, dont you think MS or just a customer would go about making a federal case about it all? not having the choice of what software to run for your bought hardware? That be like lexmark telling me that i couldnt use photoshop to edit pictures or lexmark wouldnt print them out unless i used their editor. Woldnt make sense, or be practical in any way just the same. Havent used any netcomm, so dont have that headache... i would be ringing their phone lines and trying to find the closest tort lawyer around me to handle the case. All it should need to funtion is a CORRECT DRIVER, not some piece of software. Same thing if sony pictures only allowed you to watch their dvd movie on their dvd hardware player.
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27 May 2009   #213
sexytool

Windows 7 dual with XP SP2 ((Highly Custom))
 
 

Sadly the N4 and 700 series are the buggiest out of the lot.
I really liked the NF2 series, that was great.. had no problems.

Perhaps that's why they've stopped supporting them - they had too many bugs and just gave up.

I've just found my NIC is actually incorrectly installed.
It's got a combo 8168 / 8111 driver installed.

The official realtek driver is only an 8111 it's not a combo driver.
IF i get a network dropout again ill try it.

So far... i've encountered it 3 times, all 3 of those times my router actually crashed along with the NIC.

Now i've got a 10/100 switching hub installed between myself and the router, so i still shouldn't have lost ALL connectivity, which is where the odd part comes in.

Yet when i restarted W7 it wouldn't reconnect to LAN even, until i had restarted the router.

Good 'ole netcom POS...
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27 May 2009   #214
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

see ST. I know ya got a big brain there, so i know its useful to this thread. You just have to take things a little slower. No one is going to get a big cookie here. I myself like the discussion all the while some of it gives me new ideas as well. Either for this problem or another in a different area. Keeps you on your toes type thing.

Personally I hadnt seen the drops, thank gawd, from ethernet. Not a tick of trouble. But the explanation you just gave there, reminded me of my problem with the belkin and its driver, any driver at the time, crashing out the wlan when it dopped. Causing the ever rock solid lappy, so far, to lose connection as well. Tis why to ultimately prove that its NOT my router or your router thats the problem, i plan on putting them in client-client/mode and bridge the wifi from router to router, lan to lan. If it doesnt have drops and act like it did previously, well then i have MY answer most likely... the driver. This i may do today or tomorrow. but will definitely do, since this is the one loophole i have left to fill in my scenario.
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27 May 2009   #215
sexytool

Windows 7 dual with XP SP2 ((Highly Custom))
 
 

I know it's not my router...
It doesn't crash when i'm running XP.
I've had the same router for ~6 months before i decided to install W7.
The router was already a couple years old by the time it came with the internet plan.
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27 May 2009   #216
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

I also have a similar setup... wireless/switch on one side of main router, and a switch on the other side... may add another just cuz, lol... but yea, same things here man. When i loaded the 7 driver for belkin, i had lan ax, but no inet. TS turned up nothing, tried and tried all different tricks to try and get that 7 driver to work right. Atleast it DID report correctly with the triangle and while hovering. When in 7100, it would give me the asterix or the Red X... sometimes i was connected, other times not, just didnt report it... and also the continuous drops. I had to do that trick of not connecting auto to have it actually report and connect correctly. This was the SAME story for the nvidia wired adapter. These problems of reporting atleast, i do NOT have anymore, which just that alone to me, means that work is in progress. Or that something in something was screwed up in 7100.


Edit: actually i AM adding another one, i just forgot about it. have to run a wire to the other side of house, kids rooms... not gonna depend on wifi streaming
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27 May 2009   #217
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sexytool View Post
I know it's not my router...
It doesn't crash when i'm running XP.
I've had the same router for ~6 months before i decided to install W7.
The router was already a couple years old by the time it came with the internet plan.
EXACTLY.... tis why i entered the "ethernet" thread when my original problem was wireless, i just KNEW that they had to be related. Too many similarities.
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27 May 2009   #218
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

One other BIG thing to mention about the difference in 7100 and 27. This was about the non-deletion of a previously installed driver for the adapter. THis was another reason why i advise ppl to be on. If you still have 7100 installed, do this simple task.

go to device manager, also open explorer to C:\windows\system32\drivers (location of your driver). Now in DM, find your adapter, and right click uninstall, check box "delete driver.." All the while side by side you have your eye on the specified driver in explorer window. Hit ok on the uninstall box. Now did you see the driver disappear? Nope. now try and reboot. Logically, it shouldnt find any driver, especially if you have MS download driver turned off. But it does, the driver never gets removed. Reboot does nothing i found. So now, under build 27, that checkmark box is not available anymore and the uninstall ACTUALLY DELETES the driver now in 27 when you go to uninstall.
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27 May 2009   #219
sexytool

Windows 7 dual with XP SP2 ((Highly Custom))
 
 

Now that should be useful.
The "Update Driver" utility should be quite useful either way.
I think it goes by file creation date so if you zip or rar the driver you WANT to use, it should be given todays creation date.

Then update driver should pick that driver regardless.
Might be a quick fix for some who can't seem to manually switch drivers.

W7 Driver management in itself is just retarded.
Just to test, i had a 2009 driver installed off W-Update.
I "Updated driver" in the device manager and now i'm using a driver from 2007 =/

WONDERUUUUL.
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27 May 2009   #220
Digger

XP/win7 x86 build 7127
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by sexytool View Post
Now that should be useful.
The "Update Driver" utility should be quite useful either way.
I think it goes by file creation date so if you zip or rar the driver you WANT to use, it should be given todays creation date.

Then update driver should pick that driver regardless.
Might be a quick fix for some who can't seem to manually switch drivers.

W7 Driver management in itself is just retarded.
Just to test, i had a 2009 driver installed off W-Update.
I "Updated driver" in the device manager and now i'm using a driver from 2007 =/

WONDERUUUUL.
Actually imho... it doesnt matter by the dates at all to what driver it updates to. Thing is, if you already have a "working driver" windows will say it was unable since you have it correctly working or whatever blah blah it says. I dont think it looks to it being the dates. Its not like in XP, where it says a newer driver has been found... or a file that you are attempting to overwrite is older/newer than the previous version, do you wish to continue. something to that affect. been awhile since i jumped on XP and played around, 7 confuses my brain with the msg's between them.


edit:
also it will always look to install that 7 stock driver first and foremost, you can tick this option off in windows updates. dont allow MS to download and install drivers... you have a few optinos to choose from there.

edit #2: this is the big problem and combination of problems with the non-deletion of drivers on 7100
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