"Ethernet" Connection Drop

Generator · 27 May 2009

Just wanted to mention that if I leave my Bluetooth 2.0 dongle plugged in all the time, my internet acts the same way. it installs an additional network adapter which seems to conflict so I have to unplug it until I want to send stuff to and from my mobile phone.

This ain't a problem for me but it might be something some ppl overlook. If I didn't mention this and it turned out to be bluetooth I'd be kicking myself for not mentioning it.

I havn't read all 20 pages of this thread but I searched it for Bluetooth which returned no results so if it has already been mentioned I apologise.

EDIT: this was on an old build though, havn't tried on 7127

themouse · 27 May 2009

sexytool - are you suggesting installing software for my generic realtek 8139? I didn't know there was any

i will look cause if it fixes my problem I will be very happy

themouse · 27 May 2009

snuffy - unchecking the power management button is the first thing I do even though I dont think its the problem

yes i am using the win7 drivers it still fails I loose total connectivity there are no packets being sent or received thats nothing to do with my ISP or router. After a reboot its away again.

I have tried every driver I can get my hands on from old xp right up to the latest.

sexytool · 27 May 2009

From memory a couple of vendors have released software for 8139's when provided as onboard Networking devices.

However i doubt you'll find one for your specific motherboard and i doubt one for a different motherboard or PCI 8139 NIC will work with yours.

I checked my manufacterors' website for updated NIC drivers and hopefully some management sofware, there isn't any unfortunately.
I'll try installing the drivers off teh CD in XP SP2 compatability mode and see if that helps.

However i'm not going to try it until i get another dropout. I've booted back into my W7 install because honestly, i just love it too much.
Something i share in common with some of these other guys is perhaps teh "Glutton for punishment" aspect haha.

For now i'm going to install my updated Audio Drives for W7 as provided on my manufactorers' website, ill keep checking back here though.

Digger · 27 May 2009

sexytool said:

/facepalm
/facepalm
/facepalm.

You use a BELKIN wireless and didn't think you NEEDED that software?
MY GOD MAN!

There's a reason i said to install with a pre-vista compatability mode... mainly that those are the only OS's which will install properly, e.g include the software install.

There's dozens of makes and models of network adapters out there, that don't work without their software package. Netgear is infamous for it.

I think it's safe to say that just because you neglected to realise you didn't have the FULL driver package installed, everything you've come accross and everything you've experienced has to come down to "User Error" and be disregarded as trying to find a solution to the problem because realistically; You caused your problem.

It's very probably you'll never see it again and it's not a cause of W7.

On the other hand, you DID make me realise that perhaps this realteck 8186 is the same as the "Nvidia MCP Networking device" or similar generic onboard that requires software to work in W7 100%.
It doesn't require software to work in XP period, but i've installed teh drivers off the motherboards' CD so i can't realistically claim it's running off stock drivers.

whoa tiger. I havent done any different steps on 7127 that i'm taking now, that i didnt do or try multiple times under 7100. Installing under XP SP2 on 7100 did NOTprovide me with the same results i have found while doing the same on 7127. Furthermore, i used the exact same driver package and installed under Vista comp mode on 7000. Recall there was no Vista SP2 mode. Then just the regular Vista comp mode worked FINE, but not under 7100. Look ST, its not a user error, frankly becuase i have tried every possible combination and thoroughly tested up til this point. I didnt install my nvidia ethernet in ANY comp mode, but am using older drivers than the "stock" 7 drivers that have been handed out, and not working ultimately. The nvidia adapter used the website drivers, running under no comp mode at all actually. I did this as a first test, and they are running just fine without the need to make them run under Vista/SP2 being that its a vista driver.

now try and explain this.

sexytool · 27 May 2009

It WAS your error. You've installed these drivers on XP and Vista before if i'm not mistaken.

You KNOW there should be software installed along with the driver.
So why didn't you think it was odd that you didn't get the software installed?

Digger · 27 May 2009

sexytool said:

It WAS your error. You've installed these drivers on XP and Vista before if i'm not mistaken.

You KNOW there should be software installed along with the driver.
So why didn't you think it was odd that you didn't get the software installed?

Correction. Only XP. never poisoined by vista :P

secondly, the "software" mentioned is only the wireless utility, same utility you have built in. Reason why there is a radio tick on to not use the belkin utility, use the XP wireless zero config. Choosing that, THEN turns that software utility completely off, makling the software null and void, and also by making sure its not running anymore. Gone from systray, no processes of it running at all. Al is working

try again.

You DONT need the software to make it work, just like you wouldnt need Lexmark software to be able to print a webpage, you only just need the printer drivers themselves. It will still funtion just the same.

Digger · 27 May 2009

instead of picking apart the software ST. YOu failed to see that i mentioned the difference between all 3 driver dates for each XP, Vista, and 7.... dont you think THIS is and COULD be the issue/problem/resolution ??

edit: also, the software is ONLY installed via XP comp mode, becuase there IS NO wireless utility config for vista like with XP if i'm under the correct understanding. Tis the reason why i didnt get the utility install while under Vista or Vista SP2, only when XP comp.

sexytool · 27 May 2009

Err, no. That's how it's supposed to work.
Just like NetComm.
Can you get away without using their wireless utility? Probably not.

You didn't even install it and use it to eliminate the possibility -.-;;
You're now running 7127, you didn't even check to see if 7100 had the problem resolved if you manually installed the wireless utility.

Just because you haven't gotten the issue in 7127 doesn't mean it's "Fixed"
7127 has been out less than a week and I had ZERO problems for the first week of running 7100.

You're probably going to get the same issue.

EDIT:

becuase there IS NO wireless utility config for vista like with XP if i'm under the correct understanding

Yes, there is. It's called the Windows Wireless Zero configuration tool and was integrated into service pack 2 or a windows update along the line, don't remember accurately which.
Either way it's on my XP install.

Digger · 27 May 2009

sexytool said:

Err, no. That's how it's supposed to work.
Just like NetComm.
Can you get away without using their wireless utility? Probably not.

You didn't even install it and use it to eliminate the possibility -.-;;
You're now running 7127, you didn't even check to see if 7100 had the problem resolved if you manually installed the wireless utility.

Just because you haven't gotten the issue in 7127 doesn't mean it's "Fixed"
7127 has been out less than a week and I had ZERO problems for the first week of running 7100.

You're probably going to get the same issue.

wrong again ST. slow down bro. I DID say that i tried this same driver under XP SP2... got the utility installed also... but it didnt help the drops at all. I'm not doing ANYTHING differently. I am a creature of habit. I'm sure you are too, goes with the nature of the pc mind. I have a systematic process in which i have tested all kinds of drivers in all comp modes, swapped out routers, tested wired and wireless, 2 different wirless nic cards now.

If you would scroll way back in this thread, i DID mention on how it was weird that when troubleshooting the vista driver setup.exe, 7 told me to run it as XP SP2 both under 7100 and 7127. I came in here to report that, just becuase of the wierdness factor there if you recall, probly around 2 weeks ago, give or take a day or two.

I've been pulling hair out, dont you think just with common sense that i would have tried EVERYTHING by now. I got MY ethernet working, so obviously i am doing something right so far. ANd my $2 bet is on the drivers themselves. The XP driver was a 2005 driver, the vista driver was newer than the "stock" 7 driver. so go figure. On 7000, it was the Vista driver that work under vista comp mode. Yes, i even installed under XP SP2, by shear curiosity to see how it would behave with the OS... was the first or second time trying out the comp modes back then. I got my answer, regular Vista comp mode was the winner, not SP2, not XP/SP2. If its all about the software utility, why not recommend installing under XP SP3? my guess is that the SP3 wasnt out till after the driver release date, therefore wouldnt support it in some fashion.