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Windows 7: No 64-bit (x64) Firefox 4.0, 32-bit (x86) Only List of Supported....

09 Sep 2010   #61
bobtran

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BCXtreme View Post
But I'd be very curious to know why, after years and years of dominance, you think Adobe has been "screwing" the people?
I'm curious about this comment as well. I think most people screw Adobe as they often pirate Photoshop and don't pay for it....but that's a different matter altogether.
+1 for the spelling error - my spell check let me down (I will correct it).

Perhaps "screwing" is a little strong, would you prefer "failing"?

Adobe has failed to place security very high on their agenda as opposed to the profit margin, while pushing out code that has been shown to be less than stellar where tuning is concerned causing the much debated CPU/GPU hog controversy.
Adobe further has failed, I repeat failed to produce a usable Flash player for x64 despite promises in version after version (We were promised a x64 for windows in version 9, but now at 10.1 and still not available). As a matter of fact after producing a working x64 flash player for Linux x64 OS Adobe has recently announced that they are pulling back from this player and will only provide/support an x86 version from now on.

A lack of an x64 flash player is the single biggest hold up to wider adoption of x64 browsers and OS's. x86 browsers are slower, more prone to virus's and have a higher instance of freezing and crashing due to flash issues than any other plug-in.


I will grant you that flash is the dominant product on the market and that it has been a good tool for web programmers but I will also point out that in version after version the stability and reliability of the flash player has suffered as a result of the need to push out something newer as opposed to better. Not a week goes by that Adobe isn't pushing out a patch to the flash player and the update process is less than stellar.

Adobe is a market leader and as such has a wider responsibility to further the environment that they profit from and this has not been their strong suit for a long time. They complain about Apple all the while they have turned their backs on their own product and are just resting on their laurels instead of leading the way as a market leader should.

I also doubt that "most" people using Photoshop are pirating their copies. I would guess that most people have paid through the nose for this product. But the cost of Adobe products is a different matter for discussion somewhere else.


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09 Sep 2010   #62
BCXtreme

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobtran View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BCXtreme View Post
But I'd be very curious to know why, after years and years of dominance, you think Adobe has been "screwing" the people?
I'm curious about this comment as well. I think most people screw Adobe as they often pirate Photoshop and don't pay for it....but that's a different matter altogether.
+1 for the spelling error - my spell check let me down (I will correct it).

Perhaps "screwing" is a little strong, would you prefer "failing"?

Adobe has failed to place security very high on their agenda as opposed to the profit margin, while pushing out code that has been shown to be less than stellar where tuning is concerned causing the much debated CPU/GPU hog controversy.
Adobe further has failed, I repeat failed to produce a usable Flash player for x64 despite promises in version after version (We were promised a x64 for windows in version 9, but now at 10.1 and still not available). As a matter of fact after producing a working x64 flash player for Linux x64 OS Adobe has recently announced that they are pulling back from this player and will only provide/support an x86 version from now on.

A lack of an x64 flash player is the single biggest hold up to wider adoption of x64 browsers and OS's. x86 browsers are slower, more prone to virus's and have a higher instance of freezing and crashing due to flash issues than any other plug-in.


I will grant you that flash is the dominant product on the market and that it has been a good tool for web programmers but I will also point out that in version after version the stability and reliability of the flash player has suffered as a result of the need to push out something newer as opposed to better. Not a week goes by that Adobe isn't pushing out a patch to the flash player and the update process is less than stellar.

Adobe is a market leader and as such has a wider responsibility to further the environment that they profit from and this has not been their strong suit for a long time. They complain about Apple all the while they have turned their backs on their own product and are just resting on their laurels instead of leading the way as a market leader should.

I also doubt that "most" people using Photoshop are pirating their copies. I would guess that most people have paid through the nose for this product. But the cost of Adobe products is a different matter for discussion somewhere else.
The reason they're resting on their laurels is because they have no realistic competition. Despite Silverlight's superiority, and HTML5's fanboy following, Adobe just laughs at them because they're not even coming close. If someone actually comes along with a viable alternative to Flash that becomes widely adopted, you'll be surprised how fast Adobe steps up their game. It's a basic principle of a free market economy. Another basic principle says that if Flash did have a major competitor, the prices of both would drop somewhat.

In short, what we need is competition for Flash, not for Flash to die. Flash's death would merely cause another giant to raise up with no competition, and the cycle would start ALL over again...
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09 Sep 2010   #63
Klaw117

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by BCXtreme View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by bobtran View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by pparks1 View Post
I'm curious about this comment as well. I think most people screw Adobe as they often pirate Photoshop and don't pay for it....but that's a different matter altogether.
+1 for the spelling error - my spell check let me down (I will correct it).

Perhaps "screwing" is a little strong, would you prefer "failing"?

Adobe has failed to place security very high on their agenda as opposed to the profit margin, while pushing out code that has been shown to be less than stellar where tuning is concerned causing the much debated CPU/GPU hog controversy.
Adobe further has failed, I repeat failed to produce a usable Flash player for x64 despite promises in version after version (We were promised a x64 for windows in version 9, but now at 10.1 and still not available). As a matter of fact after producing a working x64 flash player for Linux x64 OS Adobe has recently announced that they are pulling back from this player and will only provide/support an x86 version from now on.

A lack of an x64 flash player is the single biggest hold up to wider adoption of x64 browsers and OS's. x86 browsers are slower, more prone to virus's and have a higher instance of freezing and crashing due to flash issues than any other plug-in.


I will grant you that flash is the dominant product on the market and that it has been a good tool for web programmers but I will also point out that in version after version the stability and reliability of the flash player has suffered as a result of the need to push out something newer as opposed to better. Not a week goes by that Adobe isn't pushing out a patch to the flash player and the update process is less than stellar.

Adobe is a market leader and as such has a wider responsibility to further the environment that they profit from and this has not been their strong suit for a long time. They complain about Apple all the while they have turned their backs on their own product and are just resting on their laurels instead of leading the way as a market leader should.

I also doubt that "most" people using Photoshop are pirating their copies. I would guess that most people have paid through the nose for this product. But the cost of Adobe products is a different matter for discussion somewhere else.
The reason they're resting on their laurels is because they have no realistic competition. Despite Silverlight's superiority, and HTML5's fanboy following, Adobe just laughs at them because they're not even coming close. If someone actually comes along with a viable alternative to Flash that becomes widely adopted, you'll be surprised how fast Adobe steps up their game. It's a basic principle of a free market economy. Another basic principle says that if Flash did have a major competitor, the prices of both would drop somewhat.

In short, what we need is competition for Flash, not for Flash to die. Flash's death would merely cause another giant to raise up with no competition, and the cycle would start ALL over again...
HTML5 isn't that big at the moment, but in a few years, it will gain immense popularity, especially with YouTube and several top browsers offering HTML5 support. Now that I really think about it, Flash probably will not be 64-bit for another few years. With a new version of Flash coming out approximately every year, I would not expect Flash x64 until version 12 or 13.
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10 Sep 2010   #64
yowanvista

Windows 10 Pro x64, Arch Linux
 
 

Does not matter if no x64 is delivered, The new JS engine blows out IE9 previews:
Firefox 4 preview knocks back Jäger shot € The Register
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10 Sep 2010   #65
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

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10 Sep 2010   #66
Lemur

Systems 1 and 2: Windows 7 Enterprise x64, Win 8 Developer
 
 

I don't doubt Adobe will provide a 64-bit client. I'd rather wait for them to get it right, then to put out a buggy product with security issues.
Adobe Labs - Flash Player 10 for 64-bit Linux
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11 Sep 2010   #67
CreepinJesus

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lemur View Post
...wait for them to get it right, then to put out a buggy product with security issues.
That didn't slow them down with the 32-bit version!
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12 Sep 2010   #68
si8mon

Windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit
 
 

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Though once HTML5 properly takes off, there will be no point to 64-bit Flash.
Completely agree, hope this helps with the uptake of HTML5. So we don't have to be stuck with flash.
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16 Sep 2010   #69
kronckew

Win 7 ultimate x64 sp1
 
 

x64 flash now available, firefox, please give us a proper x64 version. x64 flash seems to work fine with ie9 and the plugin for firefox is available and works.
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16 Sep 2010   #70
kpo6969

 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by kronckew View Post
x64 flash now available, firefox, please give us a proper x64 version. x64 flash seems to work fine with ie9 and the plugin for firefox is available and works.
Using since yesterday, updated today in nightly update option:

Index of /pub/mozilla.org/firefox/tinderbox-builds/mozilla-central-win64
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