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Windows 7: Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5

25 Sep 2010   #221
hackerman1

W7-Enterprise + WS-2008 (Converted to Workstation)
 
 

hi !

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by myhken View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hackerman1 View Post

2 / 5 keys for ALL products !?
The change is only for Desktop products, at least for now. The only programs thats has got their keys count cut is:
Access 2007/2010
Office 2007
Office 2010
Windows 7
Windows XP
first of all: are you "Kenneth Myhre" on Technet ?

that is what i suspect from your username (and posting) here.

if so, on Technet-forum it was said that the change were on "DESKTOP-products"....
but, read the text on the F.A.Q. now !
there it says "for all products"....

i´m confused.
of course it it would be nice to have correct information BEFORE i consider buying a subscription....


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25 Sep 2010   #222
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 24c View Post
TechNet Professional (RETAIL): Current policy is that subscribers may access a maximum allocation of five keys from the download portal for use during the Subscription year to be used during the software evaluation process.

Does this sound like the keys expire with the Subscription?

This sounds like the same situation as the number of keys available, they can choose to enforce an expiration date for these keys if they want to.

Looks like this will be subject to the interpretation they choose.

Previously, these keys have not expired.
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25 Sep 2010   #223
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

To me that reads that you can only access the site to retrieve your keys while your subscription is active.
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25 Sep 2010   #224
hpark21

7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 24c View Post
Someone mentioned this before, maybe it has been addressed, if so, my bad here.

I have a TechNet Pro 'script, got it in June of 2009, renewed it in June of 2010. I got the 10 keys alloted to me. What I can't seem to find, is anything in writing that guarantees me the 10 keys/activations per key. I have nothing in my Technet file here, and don't recall seeing anything on the TechNet site.

Does anyone have a written statement, either in an email, snail mail, or any other form stating we get the 10 key-10 activations per key?
How about words given verbally? Does that count?

I vaguely remember calling them when I was ready by buy the subscription to CONFIRM what others were telling me on the web.

It went like:
Me: So, is it true that I get 10 keys each to install for evaluation purposes?
Guy on the phone: Yes, you get 10 keys
Me: Is it also true you get 10 keys for each of the Windows 7 editions?
Guy on the phone: Yes.
Me: It is same for the Office product as well?
Guy on the phone: Yes.
Me: Thank you.

I do not know how many people called them, but I am sure I can line up a LOT of people confirming that they said 10 keys per product over the phone.

Isn't this enough? Does it HAVE to be in writing? I do not believe they can get away with saying that it was not IN the contract when their support personnels were TRAINED to say that it is 10 keys per product such that when we confronted them first, they said it was website issue at first and it will go back to 10 keys.

IF this happens to go to class action, I am SURE that lawyers will ask the phone operators how many keys that we used to have and they will have no way but to say that we had 10 before EVEN though it was not written IN the contract or official FAQ specifically.
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26 Sep 2010   #225
myhken

Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hackerman1 View Post
hi !

first of all: are you "Kenneth Myhre" on Technet ?

that is what i suspect from your username (and posting) here.

if so, on Technet-forum it was said that the change were on "DESKTOP-products"....
but, read the text on the F.A.Q. now !
there it says "for all products"....

i´m confused.
of course it it would be nice to have correct information BEFORE i consider buying a subscription....
Yes, I'm Kenneth Myhre on Technet. I do see the text in the FAQ, but their is not any change in other keys just now. And if MS had plans to change the number of keys on all products, they had done it now.
So just now, the change is only for the desktop software.

I'm using VAMT 2.0 to check every MAK key you get, and every MAK key still has 500 activations. And every other programs that's not desktop software (except Vista that has 10 keys) has 10 keys now.

Here is 20 screen shots of my Technet Pro account, and you can see what products has what numbers of keys. The first page with access missing, and the last three XP versions is missing (did not wanted to make any more screen shots)
Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_001.jpg

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Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_003.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_004.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_005.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_006.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_007.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_008.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_009.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_010.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_011.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_012.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_013.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_014.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_015.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_016.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_017.jpg

Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_018.jpg

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Technet Plus changed and Reduced number of Keys to 5-technet_key_260910_020.jpg


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26 Sep 2010   #226
Dave76

Microsoft Community Contributor Award Recipient

Windows 7 Ult x64 - SP1/ Windows 8 Pro x64
 
 

Hi Kenneth, Welcome to Seven Forums.

Thanks for helping to clarify the changes in the TechNet subscription policies.

Nobody likes to have terms changed during a subscription or agreement, I think we all can understand why MS felt they should do this.
Even though we may not agree with it in principle or ethics.

It's up to each individual to try and get a refund or continue.
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26 Sep 2010   #227
myhken

Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit
 
 

Tnx for the welcoming. I can understand that people get upset when some of their products keys is reduced with 80% or 50%.
But I want to know if the people that gets upset is the people that is using Technet only for this scenarios:

What are the testing scenarios I can use TechNet Subscriptions software?
Please be aware that subscribing to TechNet does not grant user rights to test as part of a software application development effort. The following testing scenarios can be used during the software evaluation process.
Software test scenarios allowed with TechNet SubscriptionsTechNet Subscription software may be tested to determine the following:
Install/Uninstall – Time and process required for full, partial or upgrade software install/uninstall processes and system integration.
Recovery
– Capacity for software to recover from crashes, hardware failures, or other catastrophic problems.
Security
– Defining software’s ability to protect against unauthorized internal or external access.
Compatibility
– Gauging software performance in existing or new hardware, software, operating system or network environments.
Comparison – Evaluating software to determine product strengths and weaknesses as compared to previous versions or similar products.
Usability
– Assessing satisfaction among end users, observing end user utilization and understanding user interaction scenarios.
Performance – Ensuring software will perform as expected to requirements.
Stability – Estimating individual software’s ability to perform consistently, relative to system demands.
Environment – Determining software settings while software is being evaluated by end users in existing infrastructure.

And if their meet the requirements of the terms here:

What is the definition of an “IT Pro?”
IT Professionals plan, install or configure, deploy, integrate, manage and support the technology infrastructure for their organization and its end users and may be either employees of the organization or employees of a vendor hired to perform the relevant IT services for it. Positions held and/or functions performed by IT Pros include: Help Desk Technicians, Desktop Technicians, Desktop Administrators, Server Administrator, Database Administrator, IT Manager, and Infrastructure Specialist.
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26 Sep 2010   #228
24c

Win7 x64 Ult
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by hpark21 View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 24c View Post
Someone mentioned this before, maybe it has been addressed, if so, my bad here.

I have a TechNet Pro 'script, got it in June of 2009, renewed it in June of 2010. I got the 10 keys alloted to me. What I can't seem to find, is anything in writing that guarantees me the 10 keys/activations per key. I have nothing in my Technet file here, and don't recall seeing anything on the TechNet site.

Does anyone have a written statement, either in an email, snail mail, or any other form stating we get the 10 key-10 activations per key?
How about words given verbally? Does that count?

I vaguely remember calling them when I was ready by buy the subscription to CONFIRM what others were telling me on the web.

It went like:
Me: So, is it true that I get 10 keys each to install for evaluation purposes?
Guy on the phone: Yes, you get 10 keys
Me: Is it also true you get 10 keys for each of the Windows 7 editions?
Guy on the phone: Yes.
Me: It is same for the Office product as well?
Guy on the phone: Yes.
Me: Thank you.

I do not know how many people called them, but I am sure I can line up a LOT of people confirming that they said 10 keys per product over the phone.

Isn't this enough? Does it HAVE to be in writing? I do not believe they can get away with saying that it was not IN the contract when their support personnels were TRAINED to say that it is 10 keys per product such that when we confronted them first, they said it was website issue at first and it will go back to 10 keys.

IF this happens to go to class action, I am SURE that lawyers will ask the phone operators how many keys that we used to have and they will have no way but to say that we had 10 before EVEN though it was not written IN the contract or official FAQ specifically.
I'm going to take this as a "No", you don't have anything in writing.
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26 Sep 2010   #229
WindowsStar

Windows 7 Enterprise (x64); Windows Server 2008 R2 (x64)
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by myhken View Post
Tnx for the welcoming. I can understand that people get upset when some of their products keys is reduced with 80% or 50%.
But I want to know if the people that gets upset is the people that is using Technet only for this scenarios:

What are the testing scenarios I can use TechNet Subscriptions software?
Please be aware that subscribing to TechNet does not grant user rights to test as part of a software application development effort. The following testing scenarios can be used during the software evaluation process.
Software test scenarios allowed with TechNet SubscriptionsTechNet Subscription software may be tested to determine the following:
Install/Uninstall – Time and process required for full, partial or upgrade software install/uninstall processes and system integration.
Recovery – Capacity for software to recover from crashes, hardware failures, or other catastrophic problems.
Security – Defining software’s ability to protect against unauthorized internal or external access.
Compatibility – Gauging software performance in existing or new hardware, software, operating system or network environments.
Comparison – Evaluating software to determine product strengths and weaknesses as compared to previous versions or similar products.
Usability – Assessing satisfaction among end users, observing end user utilization and understanding user interaction scenarios.
Performance – Ensuring software will perform as expected to requirements.
Stability – Estimating individual software’s ability to perform consistently, relative to system demands.
Environment – Determining software settings while software is being evaluated by end users in existing infrastructure.

And if their meet the requirements of the terms here:

What is the definition of an “IT Pro?”
IT Professionals plan, install or configure, deploy, integrate, manage and support the technology infrastructure for their organization and its end users and may be either employees of the organization or employees of a vendor hired to perform the relevant IT services for it. Positions held and/or functions performed by IT Pros include: Help Desk Technicians, Desktop Technicians, Desktop Administrators, Server Administrator, Database Administrator, IT Manager, and Infrastructure Specialist.
I am sure this is WHY Microsoft made changes. Because many of the TechNet subscribers do NOT meet the definition of and "IT Pro".

But at the same time, this is hard on those of us who really are and support a huge user base and now have been restricted in the way we can test. Our deployment of Windows 7 I had to have over 250 test installs. ??? Why so high because we have thousands and thousands of users and systems. The testing was to make sure we were compatible with many different software’s and many different systems including IBM Main Frame, AS400, Sun, Linux, PBX Systems, Marques, Sport Area Systems, Airport Systems and hundreds of propriety systems as well as the need for even vending machines to be on the network with access (yep it is that kind of world). Although there have been some well made points that is should not affect us as much because there are work abounds. - WS
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26 Sep 2010   #230
myhken

Windows 7 Enterprise 64bit
 
 

If you have a so big setup as 250 computers or more, you have the money to buy Technet Pro. Then you get access to Windows 7 Enterprise MAK key with 500 activations (you can also use that key to Win7 Pro), twice the number you have used now.
If you also need to use Office 2010 on every computer, you can run it without activating it. Use the same key on all, and then use the rearm function, and you can use Office 2010 for 120 days without activating. So I do not see the problem at all.

And a large company will use Windows 7 Enterprise and/or Windows 7 Professional, and not Ultimate or Home Premium. so you don't need 100 keys to them.

And if you need more then 500 activations, you had to get a second subscription before they reduced the number of keys, since the MAK key for Enterprise/Pro is the same now as before.
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