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Windows 7: PCI Express 3.0 to go final in November

19 Sep 2010   #11
Hondajt

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Steve Ballmer Edition
 
 

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The real benefits will be unlocking the vpu potentials even further as well as speeding processing time up considerably. There's still a lot of vpu power going to waste on most systems since the typical pc game and multimedia app doesn't fully tap everything.
Okay, so you are saying they are adding more lanes for power transfer, and not just data transfer? (yeah, that's the simpleton explanation)


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19 Sep 2010   #12
Night Hawk

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Thanks, nice article and good news for us all.
Agreed! Airbot always stays on top of things as far as the latest!

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The real benefits will be unlocking the vpu potentials even further as well as speeding processing time up considerably. There's still a lot of vpu power going to waste on most systems since the typical pc game and multimedia app doesn't fully tap everything.
Okay, so you are saying they are adding more lanes for power transfer, and not just data transfer? (yeah, that's the simpleton explanation)
Not power in the sense of electrical current but more potential for data streams. The term "processing power" would be seeing a boost with more pixel pipelines available with the upgraded standard.

As visuals in things like newer games released as well as further enhancements with video in general would be like comparing dvd and vcd formats to Blu Ray HD. The image quality as well as performance overall see the gains.

You may not notice it in everything. But for the latest and new things to come that already tend to have higher requirements the new standard will be felt.
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20 Sep 2010   #13
OneSerious

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USB 3.0 is available as a new standard as well without the 3.0 devices being widely seen at this time. That's one standard already here but nor made default while the PCIe 3.0 is still a couple of years off for that being introduced.
Hasn't USB 3.0 not been ready to rock since like 2007/8. However it's only starting to surface now. Surely PCI-E 3.0 is still a few years away.
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20 Sep 2010   #14
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Hi all
I think PCI express cards are like Dead Technology now.
(Note I'm referring to the plug in cards that are a bit thinner and longer than the older PCMCIA cards. PCI cards on a Mother board are a different issue BTW and I'm not sure what hardware is being referred to here -- plug in cards or expansion slots.)

As far as the plug in type are concerned -- (PCMCIA replacements) :

They started out a few years ago trying to address the shortfalls of the USB interface but with USB 3.0 about to surface who actually NEEDS yet another interface to a computer.

One of the reasons in spite of its shortcomings was that USB was a consistent COMMON interface that worked on nearly all computers from around 2000 onwards -- or for USB 1.0 even a year or two earlier.

USB 3.0 should put PCI express and the last vestiges of Firewire to bed now.

Compatability is the name of the game these days -- and USB seems the way to go.

Cheers
jimbo
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20 Sep 2010   #15
Hondajt

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Steve Ballmer Edition
 
 

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Hi all
I think PCI express cards are like Dead Technology now. USB 3.0 should put PCI express and the last vestiges of Firewire to bed now.
Cheers
jimbo
I hope you are joking. PCIe is significantly faster/better than USB3.0. But that is besides the point. PCIe is for internal connections, like video cards, capture, etc. USB is for peripherals.

USB will NEVER replace PCIe. Two totally different products doing two totally different things.
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20 Sep 2010   #16
jimbo45

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
Hi all
I think PCI express cards are like Dead Technology now. USB 3.0 should put PCI express and the last vestiges of Firewire to bed now.
Cheers
jimbo
I hope you are joking. PCIe is significantly faster/better than USB3.0. But that is besides the point. PCIe is for internal connections, like video cards, capture, etc. USB is for peripherals.

USB will NEVER replace PCIe. Two totally different products doing two totally different things.
Hi there
I DID say for the PCIe cards that you plugged in like you did for the old PCMCIA cards - for peripherals- the issue is now dead.

I deliberately EXCLUDED the mother board types of cards as these are very different hardware.

The problem with this type of discussion is that there are TWO types of very different hardware BOTH being called by the same (or very similar) names.

Cheers
jimbo
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20 Sep 2010   #17
Night Hawk

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Well PCI and PCIe are also two different things which is what you seem to be pointing to. PCI replaced ISA back in the 90s with the improved bus and has seen PCI video cards in use when a board only saw onboard and no AGP or PCIe slots present.

Newer forms of video card may trend more to what is seen with the technology used for SSDs, memory cards, and usb flash drives as far as the onboard memory is concerned. With the faster processing capabilities seen along with the faster memory speeds you also need a faster bus to work with. This is where 3.0 would come in to replace the present PCIe 2.0 standard.

Eventually PCIe will be replaced likely by a more modular form of plugin device rather then the analog components soldered to circuit card type device presently seen as things become more miniturized and digitlized over the older forms of analog display signals. VGA was replaced by HD. Eventually HD will be replaced by...? Newer techologies when those are developed!
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21 Sep 2010   #18
Crispy

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Service Pack 1 (Build 6.1.7601)
 
 

Take a look at this Graphic display resolutions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia we can go pretty high resolution but its not available to the general public atm because off marketing costs and so forth.
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21 Sep 2010   #19
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

3840x2160 for example? Resolutions that high are in use on larger projection screen tvs that can also be used as pc displays. That's where the higher figures go.

An old 17" lcd would have seen 1280x1024 while a 20" will use a 1920x1600. The 19" dual screens here are native at 1440x900 being a widescreen model. The costs are there with the new 50" lcd tvs.

Resolutions are determined mainly by the physical size of the viewable area on any screen. The larger the screen size the higher the default resolution. That keeps everything in the correct proportions when moving up in screen rather then seeing one desktop shortcut fill the entire screen!
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27 Sep 2010   #20
Hondajt

Windows 7 Ultimate x64 Steve Ballmer Edition
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by jimbo45 View Post
I DID say for the PCIe cards that you plugged in like you did for the old PCMCIA cards - for peripherals- the issue is now dead.
Sorry. I didn't notice the PCIe "cards". That last word makes a big difference. Sorry about that. Didn't mean to sound rude, though I think it did. Hard to express online.
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