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Windows 7: New Bill Would Require U.S. ISPs to Block Pirate Sites

27 Sep 2010   #111
24c

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If the copyright law says no lending, and you lend, it is breaking the law. I don't care how many do it, it is still against the law.
If being against piracy makes me "high and mighty", so be it, I've been called worse.

It used to amaze me how people could justify their bad/illegal behavior, but after listening to inmates for 20 years, I now kind of expect it.

As of now, this thread will be dubbed Win7Forums Correctional Facility.
So are you saying that you have never borrowed or loaned anybody any media that you have purchased, and as such not broken the same copyright laws that pirates do?
If I did it, if you did it, is not the issue - wrong is wrong. Your statements just adds to my point of justifying behavior, thank you.

No offense meant, just further adds to my view about people, me included rationalizing/justifying behavior. (I've got 4 ex-wives that could add a list of things here, thank God none of them can read or write.)


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27 Sep 2010   #112
24c

Win7 x64 Ult
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lorddenis View Post
oh that mary. for the vid. its awsome.

i think this thread shuld be closed because this conversation leads no where. there are pirats and there will alway's will be.

and if i where an american i wouldnt support this bill or what ever it is. because
1 they only do it for the money. evry antipiracy angency is like that so is the goverment.
2 it will never stop. first block the pirates. then and idea the goverment doesnt like etc
I gotta agree with this - PANCAKE TIME!
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27 Sep 2010   #113
geekfreak

Win 7 X32
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 24c View Post
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Taking something that doesn't belong to you is wrong. Feel free to justify it all you want/ need to - it is still wrong.
Like I said earlier, according to copyright laws you aren't even aloud to lend, yes lend the media you purchase. Now I've never met anybody who doesn't do that. So it makes me smile when people high and mighty about piracy.

So where does it stop? Go round fining people for letting their mate watch a DVD they bought.
If the copyright law says no lending, and you lend, it is breaking the law. I don't care how many do it, it is still against the law.
If being against piracy makes me "high and mighty", so be it, I've been called worse.

It used to amaze me how people could justify their bad/illegal behavior, but after listening to inmates for 20 years, I now kind of expect it.

As of now, this thread will be dubbed Win7Forums Correctional Facility.
dude the real issue as stated over and over and over again saying this bill is not about the copyright holders, that is a smokescreen, and the bill it is really only about one thing and only one thing, and that is to block what we see and here curtailing our right to free speech.
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27 Sep 2010   #114
geekfreak

Win 7 X32
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by lorddenis View Post
oh that mary. for the vid. its awsome.

i think this thread shuld be closed because this conversation leads no where. there are pirats and there will alway's will be.

and if i where an american i wouldnt support this bill or what ever it is. because
1 they only do it for the money. evry antipiracy angency is like that so is the goverment.
2 it will never stop. first block the pirates. then and idea the goverment doesnt like etc
nothing wrong with the thread.
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27 Sep 2010   #115
madtownidiot

 

I think people who would argue to have this thread closed are simply afraid of a healthy debate.
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27 Sep 2010   #116
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
I think people who would argue to have this thread closed are simply afraid of a healthy debate.
I agree. I don't think conversations like this are pointless at all...they help to get opposing viewpoints on the table. I've often reconsidered a point on my stance based on others views that are presented in a way that I haven't seen before.

I realize that I ride upon a pretty high horse on my viewpoint. It's not news to me. But I'm happy with the fact that I have found a way to do everything that I want to do on my computer without having to resort to piracy. And I consider myself very lucky that when I do stumble upon a commercial app that I feel that I have to have, that I can simply pay for it and move on.

But I think everybody has remained civil towards each other and I see no reason why a thread like this should be closed.
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27 Sep 2010   #117
OneSerious

MS Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by 24c View Post
If I did it, if you did it, is not the issue - wrong is wrong. Your statements just adds to my point of justifying behavior, thank you.

No offense meant, just further adds to my view about people, me included rationalizing/justifying behavior. (I've got 4 ex-wives that could add a list of things here, thank God none of them can read or write.)
I'm not trying to justify what I do. I'm fine with it. My gripe is that so many people go round acting like they would never contribute to the "problem" of piracy getting high and mighty about it from a legal stand point. Since even the smallest thing like lending falls under the exact same category and lets be honest, probably 99% of people are guilty of that, where do you draw the line? So it is the issue.

It can't be had both ways. Somebody can't say they don't advocate piracy sites it's against the copyright law but in the same breath say they're happy to lend when it breaks the exact same.
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27 Sep 2010   #118
madtownidiot

 

Except for a bit of mindless sarcasm in a couple of the posts here, I find it quite interesting to read other peoples' opinions on the matter. I'm inclined to believe that when you buy something, it's yours to do whatever you want with it, but that in the case of digital media and software, people should buy their own copy if they want to use it. There would be no motivation to be creative if there nobody were compensated for use of their abilities.. and IMO that's the true purpose of patents and copyrights.

On the other hand, I think any law can be twisted and abused.. The DMCA prohibits reverse engineering for example. A good idea on the face of it, but it has been interpreted in many instances to mean it's illegal to attempt to improve on someone elses' ideas and create something better. As I've said before if that concept had been applied to all technology a century ago, we wouldn't be anywhere near as technologically advanced as we've become. In many cases, copyright and anti-piracy laws are used to stifle innovation, which is just as wrong as outright stealing.
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27 Sep 2010   #119
geekfreak

Win 7 X32
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
I think people who would argue to have this thread closed are simply afraid of a healthy debate.

Triple A+
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27 Sep 2010   #120
BCXtreme

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

I also feel the need to point out that there is a difference between what is illegal and what is wrong. While illegal things are often wrong, and vice versa, this is not always true. Piracy is stealing, taking something that doesn't belong to you, and thus it is morally wrong. Lending someone a CD is not stealing, and while it may be illegal, it is not morally wrong. Personally, any law that says you are not allowed to lend/give your property to another is condoning extortion. If you loan a friend a CD, he can listen to it and if he likes it, he will/should buy his own copy. If you CAN'T loan him the CD, he has to buy it just to find out if he likes it. Or else he doesn't buy it at all and just forgets about it. Either way, by making loans illegal, you've turned a win/win situation into either a win/lose or a lose/lose situation.
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