New Bill Would Require U.S. ISPs to Block Pirate Sites

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  1. Posts : 68
    Win 7 X32
       #50

    the free flow of info will not be blocked, one way or another people will get to the sites they want. in a nutshell "there has never been a lock made that can't be picked"
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  2. Posts : 872
    Windows 7 Home Premium x64
       #51

    DarkNovaGamer said:
    it is not your choice if this bill will pass or fail
    In America, that's a problem in and of itself.

    Listen to the good Colonel. As I said before, the fact that this bill would be largely ineffective means that all it really does is open the door to full censorship. I can't help but notice that every way y'all have suggested that the gov't could prevent people from bypassing the filter would require them to take even MORE control over everything.
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  3. Posts : 302
    Windows 7 RTM x64
       #52

    Illegal file sharing born with PCs. In the old times when there was no internet and copmuters, people made illegal copies of books, pictures, and everything that has a great value.
    They can stop all the warez sites or turn off the whole internet, but they can not stop people to share softwares. (There are already exits several big groups that exchanging stafs on HDDs or private LAN parties.)
    It would be intresting to know how much percent of the traffic made by illegal and legal transactions. I think if there were no warez on the net, we would be still using slow dial up connections.
    One more intresting question is, what do you think about people who has more then 10GB monthly traffic? Don't tell me that they download every month 10gigs of freeware
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  4. Posts : 568
    Win7 x64 Ultimate SP1
       #53

    Colonel Travis said:
    I used to work for a member of Congress. This bill would not be used to take down just pirate sites. It could be used to shut down any site that the U.S. says violates U.S. Code Title 17, which includes U.S. government works, questions of fair use, etc. It also means the U.S. gov't. could shove its nose into ICANN and start dictating who gets domains and who gets them taken away. It means taxpayer dollars could go to public lawyers on behalf of private companies who seek private damages. It means ISPs are under more control of the federal government. This kind of bill was shot down a few years ago. Now there's a president and Congress who salivate at having this kind of control. Trust me, I've worked with these people - they eat this *bleep* up.

    Not a fan of piracy, I'm not a black helicopter guy, but I'm not a fan of this particular bill.

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  5. Posts : 7,878
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
       #54

    DarkNovaGamer said:
    In a perfect world that may be a valid path for everyone but not everyone can use other programs such as gimp as effectivly as they can Photoshop. There lies the problem.
    Well, I would have to assume that at the start, they had to spend the time to learn how to use Photoshop. Perhaps they could also spend some time and learn something else. It's entirely possible. Maybe they don't want to bother with learning...and if learning is that difficult for them...they could just pay for Photoshop.

    Wishmaster said:
    But there are others, like Elements that offers most of the core functions for $100 or less.
    There certainly are others. But lots of people don't want to settle for less functionality and just pirate the full Photoshop

    geekfreak said:
    the free flow of info will not be blocked, one way or another people will get to the sites they want. in a nutshell "there has never been a lock made that can't be picked"
    Sure, but look at it this way. Let's say that you work for a company and they keep all of the software in a broom closet. Let's say the closet is not locked. Let's say that there are no security cameras or people around. So, an employee could now wander into the room, take the software off the shelf, shove it in their backpack and wander out the door. So, now the company finds that people are stealing software so they put a lock on the door. So, this cuts down on some of the people who aren't going to resort to lock picking. Will it stop everyone...perhaps not. Maybe that guy who has a master key or who might wander in while the cleaning crew has the door unlocked...might not be stopped. So, now the company installs cameras...so not only do you have to get past the lock, you have to get past the camera or explain your actions. This stops more of the theft...perhaps not 100% of it...but quite a bit of it. Would you simply just recommend leaving that door unlocked since it won't stop the most adamant of thieves????
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  6. Posts : 1,083
    Windows 7 Enterprise 64-bit
       #55

    pparks1 said:
    Product FRED said:
    Pirating is sharing files. So essentially, one would have to disable copy and paste, click and drag, uploading and downloading.
    pirating is not "sharing" files. It's sharing files that are not legal to share...there is a really big difference here.

    Product FRED said:
    Sidenote, torrenting is much more efficient than traditional downloading since it puts a small load on several clients rather than a large load on a single server.
    Yes, torrenting is more efficient. Nobody said, "they are going to block torrents". I torrent Linux distributions all of the time because it's the fastest way for me to do it. And going forward, this torrenting would be allowed without question. However, if you are torrenting something like PhotoShop, Microsoft Office of Illustrator....then this is something altogether different.
    Ok what I meant was that sharing certain files iss essentially pirating. There is no way they can filter all files being transfered around. Pirating has existed since before the internet. The internet just makes it easier.
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  7. Posts : 7,878
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
       #56

    Robert Cartman said:
    They can stop all the warez sites or turn off the whole internet, but they can not stop people to share softwares. (There are already exits several big groups that exchanging stafs on HDDs or private LAN parties.)
    Sure, they can always trade software in other ways. But I'd bet dollars to donuts that most people don't get their software by swapping around hard drives from friend to friend and making a big collection.

    Robert Cartman said:
    One more intresting question is, what do you think about people who has more then 10GB monthly traffic? Don't tell me that they download every month 10gigs of freeware
    I'm not entirely sure you could effectively prove that argument. For example, I download Linux distros pretty frequently. I also stream movies from netflix to my tv. In addition, I download video game demos on both my PC as well as my Xbox360 on a monthly basis. Some people buy a fair amount of music from iTunes. Don't forget about services like Hulu and whatnot that let you catch up with TV that you might have missed. There are lots of other high bandwidth things that that you can do with your computer. I wish I could get my ISP to provide me with monthly totals for the past 4-5 years. We could see exactly what a person who doesn't really pirate anything does bandwidth wise.
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  8. s31
    Posts : 127
    Windows 7 Ultimate
       #57

    kodi said:
    To an Australian this has been done to death, we have been talking about this for a very long time when the Government tried to implement a filter to stop these sights.
    um no, that was to block child pornography and RC content.

    the aussie filter is dead, it wont pass anyway..
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  9. Posts : 68
    Win 7 X32
       #58

    pparks1 said:
    DarkNovaGamer said:
    In a perfect world that may be a valid path for everyone but not everyone can use other programs such as gimp as effectivly as they can Photoshop. There lies the problem.
    Well, I would have to assume that at the start, they had to spend the time to learn how to use Photoshop. Perhaps they could also spend some time and learn something else. It's entirely possible. Maybe they don't want to bother with learning...and if learning is that difficult for them...they could just pay for Photoshop.

    Wishmaster said:
    But there are others, like Elements that offers most of the core functions for $100 or less.
    There certainly are others. But lots of people don't want to settle for less functionality and just pirate the full Photoshop

    geekfreak said:
    the free flow of info will not be blocked, one way or another people will get to the sites they want. in a nutshell "there has never been a lock made that can't be picked"
    Sure, but look at it this way. Let's say that you work for a company and they keep all of the software in a broom closet. Let's say the closet is not locked. Let's say that there are no security cameras or people around. So, an employee could now wander into the room, take the software off the shelf, shove it in their backpack and wander out the door. So, now the company finds that people are stealing software so they put a lock on the door. So, this cuts down on some of the people who aren't going to resort to lock picking. Will it stop everyone...perhaps not. Maybe that guy who has a master key or who might wander in while the cleaning crew has the door unlocked...might not be stopped. So, now the company installs cameras...so not only do you have to get past the lock, you have to get past the camera or explain your actions. This stops more of the theft...perhaps not 100% of it...but quite a bit of it. Would you simply just recommend leaving that door unlocked since it won't stop the most adamant of thieves????
    i state again the real issue is not the copyright holders, our gov wants this so they can in a way go back to pre-internet. our government can't get away with half of what they use to because of an open internet. stop trying to make this new law only about the copyright holders, because it is not. and yes because the info needs to flow freely to protect peeps freedoms this is one door that should stay unlocked.
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  10. Posts : 7,878
    Windows 7 Ultimate x64
       #59

    geekfreak said:
    i state again the real issue is not the copyright holders, our gov wants this so they can in a way go back to pre-internet. our government can't get away with half of what they use to because of an open internet. stop trying to make this new law only about the copyright holders, because it is not. and yes because the info needs to flow freely to protect peeps freedoms this is one door that should stay unlocked.
    That's your opinion and you are entitled to it. I however don't think this is a conspiracy ploy by the government to prevent the spread of information. Sorry, I just don't think that's what is going on here. I realize that I could be wrong.
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