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Windows 7: Microsoft slams OEM crapware

09 Oct 2010   #11
Skulblaka

Windows 8 Professional 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by stormy13 View Post
I came across this screen shot a while ago and have saved for when discussions like this come up,

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that was on a new Sony laptop. Notice where the scroll bar is. Sad thing is that that is only showing about 1/3 of the pre-installed crap.
(Un)Holy crap...


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09 Oct 2010   #12
mickey megabyte

ultimate 64 sp1
 
 

...and they all probably had an msconfig entry, and started a service or two...
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09 Oct 2010   #13
Lee

Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11
 
 

I am going to go into another direction with this topic. If it wasn't for crapware then the computers being sold today would be in the same price range as Mac's.

Now just about anyone who takes the time to come to this site (Seven Forums) is smart enough to know that the crap on these computers can be removed with just a little work. Whats an hour of your time worth. Do you want to pay $1500.00 to $2000.00 for a machine or $650.00 and clean out the crapware. Personally cleaning out the crapware seems the right choice.

Or, buy the computer/laptop you want then purchase a copy of Windows 7 (whatever flavor your heart desires), and do a clean install.

Not only crapware keeps the prices down, so does all the stickers for different software and hardware manufactures. They pay to have those stickers put on the computers/laptops you buy.

So in the long run it is a good thing for all. Just take the time to remove the junk and stickers, or install a none crapware version of Windows. . .
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09 Oct 2010   #14
JMH

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lee View Post
I am going to go into another direction with this topic. If it wasn't for crapware then the computers being sold today would be in the same price range as Mac's.

Now just about anyone who takes the time to come to this site (Seven Forums) is smart enough to know that the crap on these computers can be removed with just a little work. Whats an hour of your time worth. Do you want to pay $1500.00 to $2000.00 for a machine or $650.00 and clean out the crapware. Personally cleaning out the crapware seems the right choice.

Or, buy the computer/laptop you want then purchase a copy of Windows 7 (whatever flavor your heart desires), and do a clean install.
Not only crapware keeps the prices down, so does all the stickers for different software and hardware manufactures. They pay to have those stickers put on the computers/laptops you buy.

So in the long run it is a good thing for all. Just take the time to remove the junk and stickers, or install a none crapware version of Windows. . .

Yes indeed that is what I pay here [$2000+ per Lappy] which includes all of the crapware.

I would be prepared to pay more to have a machine NOT "infected" with bloatware.

IMHO - Your prices are overly simplistic.
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09 Oct 2010   #15
Lee

Win 7 Pro x64, VM Win XP, Win7 Pro Sandbox, Kubuntu 11
 
 

JMH, Sorry to hear of your high prices. The good thing here in the U.S.A. is you can go to stores like Best Buy, Fry's, etc. and get some good prices. Also going on line to online service like Newegg, Amazon, etc. you will be able to fine sales just about any day of the week. So where—unless you are going to do an iBuilt—then you really needn't pay over $1000.00 (US) for a middle of the road system (pretty much what the average Joe user buys).

Even though most of my time is spent on a iMac 27" I still have a Win 7 machine that I paid $659.00 (US) for just to have a sandbox to play in; besides I like Office 2010 for Windows over the Mac Office 2011 for the Mac (they still have got it right).

Again sorry about your prices there down under.
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09 Oct 2010   #16
Klaw117

Windows 7 Home Premium x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Lee View Post
I am going to go into another direction with this topic. If it wasn't for crapware then the computers being sold today would be in the same price range as Mac's.

Now just about anyone who takes the time to come to this site (Seven Forums) is smart enough to know that the crap on these computers can be removed with just a little work. Whats an hour of your time worth. Do you want to pay $1500.00 to $2000.00 for a machine or $650.00 and clean out the crapware. Personally cleaning out the crapware seems the right choice.

Or, buy the computer/laptop you want then purchase a copy of Windows 7 (whatever flavor your heart desires), and do a clean install.

Not only crapware keeps the prices down, so does all the stickers for different software and hardware manufactures. They pay to have those stickers put on the computers/laptops you buy.

So in the long run it is a good thing for all. Just take the time to remove the junk and stickers, or install a none crapware version of Windows. . .
Cleaning out the crapware is a good choice, but the problem is that many people aren't aware of it or aren't tech-savvy enough to uninstall it. I had a friend with Vista and HP crapware on his computer and he didn't know that it was the cause of his problem until I fixed it for him.
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09 Oct 2010   #17
pparks1

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

Also, keep in mind that many of those things on the Sony are 3rd party drivers and utilities for the hardware that is installed on the computer. I just choose to use the Windows 7 drivers as long as they work...but it's possible the 3rd party ones might give slightly more performance.
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09 Oct 2010   #18
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

It all depends on where you buy your system...... I can and have built very good Middle of the road PC's for $650 to the customer and made a profit. Oh and no crapware to be seen.

The problem is not a matter of lowering cost. Trust me it is not.
The problem is these 3rd party crapware developers are paying big dollars to have it included, and you have the OEM's that don't give a crap about what they are selling. Otherwise you would not have seen a single Vista PC with less than 1G of RAM sold.

I can not say if I had someone offer me a few hundred or more per machine to install their crap, that I might do it. It would be an off shoot of my main operation and be on a $199 special. Which you would not believe how many people there are who are happily begging for the $199 special till they get it home and can't do squat on it. Then bitch and moan that they got ripped off cause they can't play the latest Games on the Shelves. Especially when you explain that to them from the beginning.

Then you have retarded Factory Devs that are creating the Factory Image in such a way as most of the time the image don't install right the first time. So you have Garbage Factory Installs that includes Crapware, that in most cases may have to be reloaded and then cleaned up.

It is a combination of getting paid big dollars to install the crapware and the OEM's not giving a crap about what they are selling cause people are stupid enough to buy it anyway.

Vote with your dollars, not complaints and legislation.
The lack of sales can change any companies stripes faster than any complaints after making the purchase.
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09 Oct 2010   #19
JMH

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
It all depends on where you buy your system.....
1. I can and have built very good Middle of the road PC's for $650 to the customer and made a profit. Oh and no crapware to be seen.


The problem is not a matter of lowering cost. Trust me it is not.
The problem is these 3rd party crapware developers are paying big dollars to have it included, and you have the OEM's that don't give a crap about what they are selling. Otherwise you would not have seen a single Vista PC with less than 1G of RAM sold.

I can not say if I had someone offer me a few hundred or more per machine to install their crap, that I might do it. It would be an off shoot of my main operation and be on a $199 special. Which you would not believe how many people there are who are happily begging for the $199 special till they get it home and can't do squat on it. Then bitch and moan that they got ripped off cause they can't play the latest Games on the Shelves. Especially when you explain that to them from the beginning.

Then you have retarded Factory Devs that are creating the Factory Image in such a way as most of the time the image don't install right the first time. So you have Garbage Factory Installs that includes Crapware, that in most cases may have to be reloaded and then cleaned up.

It is a combination of getting paid big dollars to install the crapware and the OEM's not giving a crap about what they are selling cause people are stupid enough to buy it anyway.

2.Vote with your dollars, not complaints and legislation.
The lack of sales can change any companies stripes faster than any complaints after making the purchase.
1.I have tried here for years to have done what you say. Each time the quotes have been well in excess of what I pay now - for what is considered the best off the shelf "pre bloated" computer.

2.Common sense indeed but how do you encourage the masses to do this?
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09 Oct 2010   #20
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

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1.I have tried here for years to have done what you say. Each time the quotes have been well in excess of what I pay now - for what is considered the best off the shelf "pre bloated" computer.
You will never get that kinda quote from the likes of any of the big OEM's,,,, even though they might be able to do it with Quality parts. Well,, to an extent. I mean, they do have a lot of backend overhead that must also be paid for as well as Regulations and Taxes. So, generally speaking, the nature of their business may not allow for it. That is all big business side of things.

However, a small mom and pop shop CAN, and DO sell quality Pre-Built at their shop Systems for those prices with no crapware. But you have to find a good shop, there are also a lot of small shops that just want a one off quick buck.
A $650 PC isn't going to run any marathons, but it will do a whole lot real fast. This is a middle of the road PC.

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2.Common sense indeed but how do you encourage the masses to do this?
You can't. It's the nature of people. They are stupid.
Otherwise AOL never would have lasted as long as they did.
And Main Stream Media would not be main stream.
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