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Windows 7: Microsoft slams OEM crapware

10 Oct 2010   #31
JMH

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NICK ADSL UK View Post
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And there's about 75% of the reason why people hated Vista.
vista was always reliable but not in a OEM
Nick I must be the exception.
Have two laptops with Vista Ultimate 64-bit here - OEM versions.
Both absolutely reliable thus far.....
In fact I still prefer to use the Vista laptop to my new Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit one.



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10 Oct 2010   #32
NICK ADSL UK

 
 

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NICK ADSL UK View Post
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And there's about 75% of the reason why people hated Vista.
vista was always reliable but not in a OEM
Nick I must be the exception.
Have two laptops with Vista Ultimate 64-bit here - OEM versions.
Both absolutely reliable thus far.....
In fact I still prefer to use the Vista laptop to my new Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit one.
you probably have a minimum of 3 GB of ram ? most faults with vista or any system is the failure to what loads at boot and in vista's case in particular it didn't cope well with 2 GB of ram in a way that most users world wide were and even today use their system as most people are not even aware of what is loading and with in excess of 10 program's starting at boot vista invariably falls down ALSO A LOT OF OEM's use cut back processors which doesn't help
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10 Oct 2010   #33
JMH

Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit. SP1.
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NICK ADSL UK View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JMH View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NICK ADSL UK View Post
vista was always reliable but not in a OEM
Nick I must be the exception.
Have two laptops with Vista Ultimate 64-bit here - OEM versions.
Both absolutely reliable thus far.....
In fact I still prefer to use the Vista laptop to my new Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit one.
you probably have a minimum of 3 GB of ram ? most faults with vista or any system is the failure to what loads at boot and in vista's case in particular it didn't cope well with 2 GB of ram in a way that most users world wide were and even today use their system as most people are not even aware of what is loading and with in excess of 10 program's starting at boot vista invariably falls down ALSO A LOT OF OEM's use cut back processors which doesn't help
Yes Nick both computers with Vista on them were brand new, both with 4GB RAM & top specs in all areas. I was well aware of the hard time lots were experiencing & wanted to avoid that....
I seem to be a lone voice who speaks highly of Vista, so be it.
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10 Oct 2010   #34
kodi

Windows 10 Pro x64
 
 

I could not fault Vista and was quiet happy to stay on it,like you I had 4g ram and good hardware.
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10 Oct 2010   #35
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

All vista issues were caused by Systems with 512M or less than 2G of ram.
Third Party Software and Drivers not ready at release time.
THOse were the issues. Otherwise, Vista was fine.

In otherwords, Blame All the OEM's and All 3rd Party Dev's for Vista's issues.
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10 Oct 2010   #36
gregrocker

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.
It is not piracy when users necessarily find a clean-copy of Win7 to clean reinstall with the Product Key on COA sticker. It is using their personal property the way they want it.

Perhaps it's time MS consider posting the ISO on their website, since pirates are going to obtain it anyway and honest users should experience what a fantastic accomplishment it is without having it throttled by OEM's.
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10 Oct 2010   #37
Skulblaka

Windows 8 Professional 64-bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.
It is not piracy when users necessarily find a clean-copy of Win7 to clean reinstall with the Product Key on COA sticker. It is using their personal property the way they want it.

Perhaps it's time MS consider posting the ISO on their website, since pirates are going to obtain it anyway and honest users should experience what a fantastic accomplishment it is without having it throttled by OEM's.
I agree, companies simply do not care about the people, only profit, that's how I see it.
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10 Oct 2010   #38
LiquidSnak

W7 Professional x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.
It is not piracy when users necessarily find a clean-copy of Win7 to clean reinstall with the Product Key on COA sticker. It is using their personal property the way they want it.

Perhaps it's time MS consider posting the ISO on their website, since pirates are going to obtain it anyway and honest users should experience what a fantastic accomplishment it is without having it throttled by OEM's.
I agree, companies simply do not care about the people, only profit, that's how I see it.
Have you been shopping lately? Businesses seem to not give a rats flying freaking behind about anything besides profit now. I just want to punch all the idiot kids who run around their work not giving a crap about their job, because their managers don't care.

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by NICK ADSL UK View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by JMH View Post

Nick I must be the exception.
Have two laptops with Vista Ultimate 64-bit here - OEM versions.
Both absolutely reliable thus far.....
In fact I still prefer to use the Vista laptop to my new Win 7 Ultimate 64-bit one.
you probably have a minimum of 3 GB of ram ? most faults with vista or any system is the failure to what loads at boot and in vista's case in particular it didn't cope well with 2 GB of ram in a way that most users world wide were and even today use their system as most people are not even aware of what is loading and with in excess of 10 program's starting at boot vista invariably falls down ALSO A LOT OF OEM's use cut back processors which doesn't help
Yes Nick both computers with Vista on them were brand new, both with 4GB RAM & top specs in all areas. I was well aware of the hard time lots were experiencing & wanted to avoid that....
I seem to be a lone voice who speaks highly of Vista, so be it.
I spent a couple hours tweaking my vista, and then didn't have a problem for three or four years.
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10 Oct 2010   #39
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by gregrocker View Post
Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Skulblaka View Post
I've witnessed people "acquiring" Windows 7 "images" due to crap-ware for the sake of a clean and fresh install. Companies shouldn't be surprised when their costumers are resorting to piracy where they simply want something without any hassle.
It is not piracy when users necessarily find a clean-copy of Win7 to clean reinstall with the Product Key on COA sticker. It is using their personal property the way they want it.

Perhaps it's time MS consider posting the ISO on their website, since pirates are going to obtain it anyway and honest users should experience what a fantastic accomplishment it is without having it throttled by OEM's.
Correct, it is not considered piracy.
However, if you read the rules for resale, of a PC with Windows.
You are to provide to original media that came with the system.
This pertains to shops/stores that resell systems. (ie. If the media is missing, you are supposed to contact the manufacturer and purchase the media [restore disks] for that model system in order to be able to actually resell it. Or resell it with no OS on the system.)
You can not make a disk, or provide media from a different source and sell it or even give it for free along with the system it was not provided for.

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MS consider posting the ISO on their website
The problem with this is, The OEM's are the ones responsible for the support of the OEM OS installed on the PC. MS does not provide support for the OEM software. They would then assume responsibility for the OS that OEMs install. Or the OEM OS, this includes System Builder OEM. They won't do that.
Also, the OEM's make a little bit of profit off the resale of media due to people losing it and wanting original factory restore disks. (also see above reason)

That is also why OEM's will not support an OS that is not theirs. And why you will need to reimage the system in order to get support from the OEM. They only support their version of the OS.
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10 Oct 2010   #40
madtownidiot

 

If you buy a computer that has a COA attached, it doesn't matter where you get the installation media to install a clean OS. You're within your rights to have the same version of windows the computer left the factory with, regardless of how you obtain it.
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