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Windows 7: Microsoft slams OEM crapware

11 Oct 2010   #51
bobtran

Windows 7 Ultimate x64
 
 

And it only took how many years to get here?


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11 Oct 2010   #52
madtownidiot

 

Microsoft really has no say in what the manufacturers install on their products, and that is the way it should remain.. They contribute to the problem by insisting the 30 day office trial is installed on virtually every new computer. If they really wanted to do something about it, they would make the windows home versions free to anyone who asks.. or start telling manufacturers to either include an unaltered windows install disk with every computer or lose their OEM volume license
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11 Oct 2010   #53
Win7User512

Windows 7 x64 / Same
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by madtownidiot View Post
Microsoft really has no say in what the manufacturers install on their products, and that is the way it should remain.. They contribute to the problem by insisting the 30 day office trial is installed on virtually every new computer. If they really wanted to do something about it, they would make the windows home versions free to anyone who asks.. or start telling manufacturers to either include an unaltered windows install disk with every computer or lose their OEM volume license
Currently they probably don't have any say. But they could in new contracts with OEMs demand they not install this stuff.

I doubt they will though.
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11 Oct 2010   #54
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

I don't know. If these OEM's want to sell and make some money off Windows, which they do.
And MS says, you can install that stuff, but the discounts we give you for the OS are not going to be as good.
In other words, if the OEM pays $25 per OS and license now, MS could say, "fine, want to install that garbage? The OS now costs you $100. Get rid of it and we will give you a better discount."

They could do that. And no, Linux would still not gain any traction in the long run over Windows, if they did try to do an end run around by installing a Free Linux Flavor. End users would not know what the hell to do.
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11 Oct 2010   #55
chev65

Windows 7 Ult, Windows 8.1 Pro,
 
 

I agree Tepid, hit them where it hurts most. If Msoft is serious about this complaint they should do something about it rather than just complaining.

I really think all this bloatware is making an otherwise fast Op system feel like a slow Op system and it's hurting Msoft's bottom line and reputation. The problem here is that even if you told people what the problem was for some reason they are either afraid to uninstall the bloatware or just don't know the difference between bloatware and useful programs.
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12 Oct 2010   #56
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

The other problem is, not installing enough RAM.
what 99% of users do not realize is. Minimum requirements are to get a system to run stable, not well.
So yes, Vista will run with 512M of ram. But it won't run well. And these OEM's knew it, they just wanted to make a sale so they allowed it.
I also think that is why MS upped it to 1G for 7. Still that is not good enough.

It is the same with all PC games. The minimum is to make it run stable, the recommended is better, but you always want to try and have twice what the recommended is listed.
That is the sweet spot. But more is always best.
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12 Oct 2010   #57
LiquidSnak

W7 Professional x64
 
 

My seven hovers just under a GB when I'm messing around using it for it's basic functions. They list the lower RAM requirements so that Microsoft can sell as many copies as they can. They are a business, and while that may not be great, it's making them money.
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12 Oct 2010   #58
Tepid

Win 7 Ultimate 32bit
 
 

Hey I have no problem with people making money. My problem is, selling garbage when you know you are selling garbage. It's unethical. And the more people allow it and let it go, the more garbage we get.

Sell quality at a decent price not quantity as a cheap price. But then, that is up to consumers as to what they are willing to pay for. So............... this is what we get.

We only have ourselves to blame.

Which is partly why nothing is made here anymore, that and unions.
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12 Oct 2010   #59
LiquidSnak

W7 Professional x64
 
 

Definitely why I am glad that MS is raging about it
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12 Oct 2010   #60
jimbo45

Linux CENTOS 7 / various Windows OS'es and servers
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Tepid View Post
The other problem is, not installing enough RAM.
what 99% of users do not realize is. Minimum requirements are to get a system to run stable, not well.
So yes, Vista will run with 512M of ram. But it won't run well. And these OEM's knew it, they just wanted to make a sale so they allowed it.
I also think that is why MS upped it to 1G for 7. Still that is not good enough.

It is the same with all PC games. The minimum is to make it run stable, the recommended is better, but you always want to try and have twice what the recommended is listed.
That is the sweet spot. But more is always best.
Hi there
Actually I disagree here -- Lack of RAM is NOT the main problem -- for what 90 - 95% of typical home users do on their computers (email, surf internet, some office type stuff, play music, watch dvd's etc) a modest machine (by todays standards) with 1GB of RAM is probably sufficient.

I agree more RAM is better if you want to run things like Virtual Machines and Photoshop --although you can use Photoshop on a 1GB RAM system without too much hassle if you aren't processing 100's of large photos-.

Even for gaming it's not normally shortage of RAM -- CPU processing power, decent graphic card / GPU and fast disks are usually more important.

Cheers
jimbo
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