I will agree, or disagree, once I figure what you are inferring. Is it:
1) That they load up their product with advertising and other crap, like radio, newspapers, movie theaters, TV and everything else these days? Yup, no denying that.
or
2) Because of the loaded up crap, it serves as some kind of justification for pirating? If that's the case then what you are really suggesting at the end is that we vote with our moral code, or lack of one, instead of voting with our wallets.
HMMM RIGHT NOW I JUST PIRATED THIS THREAD ON A DIFFERENT PC PLEASE DON'T TELL THE POLICE ON ME
I JUST HAPPENED TO LOG ON AND WALLA INSTANT THREAD
Good sir, I raised this point numerous times to no avail. Apparently it's fine to share among friends and family thus costing the good industry folks revenue. However, whilst doing that it's still okay to complain about internet piracy. Gotta love it.Ok guys, let's make an experiment, everyone that shared movie/song with a friend please raise your hands (be honest)Ask your friends with how many people they shared the file/s...Now, how is that right, but doing the same thing through torrent not? Yes, the first method isn't fast as the second, but anyway, isn't it illegal?
What we need to do here is to clarify what is legal and what is illegal
It is my understanding that the following is true for the UK
You can make a copy of purchased recorded content, for your own use to a different form of media
This covers backup purposes and the creation of a CD copy of music etc for playback on the computer, or a digital music player, (there was an allowance always made to copy a CD to cassette for playing in the car).
Once you are the owner of the physical media, if you no longer wish to retain this you can dispose of it by sale or gift to any other person, so long as you destroy any copies made as per above, completely, prior to disposal. The new owner of the media would be entitled to make copies under the same restrictions as the original.
If this was not true then it would be illegal to buy a CD / DVD/ Book as a present for someone else. The content provider is only eligible for one payment for any particular physical media.
It is also perfectly legal to loan media to a third party either for payment or not without further payment to the content provider, That is the way that libraries and DVD hire companies operate
You enter the realm of illegality, once you copy the content, by any means, and give it to another person, whilst retaining the original, the sharing method is immaterial, it is equally illegal to physically copy a CD or Photocopy a book, as it is to use P2P networks to share.
Software is more confused as to what restrictions apply due to the clicking through of the EULA that is required to install - this has not been challenged in a court as yet so may or may not be legally binding.
Obviously each country will have it's own version of these statutes but the general position is normally the same, to my knowledge.
Although, for example, I believe that Apples EULA restriction on installing on non Apple hardware was rejected by a Swedish court some years ago
Hi there
I think we all agree the LAW is an imbecile on these matters -- I'm sure whether its legal or not if you loan a copy of a CD to someone you KNOW the purpose is for them to copy it.
Incidentally I'm sure when people used to borrow music CD's from the library they surely copied them if they liked the music -- being usually Classical Music there doesn't seem to be so much of an issue here about copying.
What about high quality streamed audio broadcasts -- people copy these as well.
The law is a complete MORON on these matters -- a) it's simply to vague, and b) hasn't a HOPE of even being slightly enforced -- and as we all know Bad laws are very quickly turned into objects of redicule and certainly not respected by the general public anyway.
People will just have to LIVE with file sharing -- Piracy and all whether they like it or not it's here to stay.
As far as software is concerned - until the CPU manufacturers build in a unique identifier for every CPU which Windows or other software can check at installation time then software will continue to be pirated and whatever the activation mechanism some people will ALWAYS be able to find a way round it.
We just need to get real on this -- if you don't file share then don't -- if you do then its between you and your maker what you share and how you do it.
Cheers
jimbo
I'd say that is about bang on. Exactly what I've been trying to say only you said it better.
I imagine these companies need a licence to do so. I could be wrong, correct me if I am. But I can't see it being legal for me to buy a CD then lending it out for money.
I should also point out. I have no problem with lending, so much as I complain about it here. I'm only playing advocate because I don't condemn file sharing and can't understand the thinking of folks who can have one, but not the other.
Barman...you have summed the matter up most eloquently...my congratulation!! To nailgunner:- If you have"borrowed" noobvious's jpg then I hope you aren't sharing it using p2p!!!
