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Windows 7: Intel X25-M 120GB SSD Released with Lower Holiday Price

30 Nov 2010   #31
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

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maybe a ssd Raid 0
Raid 0 makes little sense for SSDs that are used for the OS. It will increase the data transfer rate but that is relatively irrelevant for the OS. And since a Raid does not improve the access time, you will hardly see a difference in performance compared to a single SSD. I would save the money for the second SSD.

This is, however, different if you do a lot of data operations and have a Raid setup large enough for that - e.g. video editing (provided your CPU can keep up with it).


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01 Dec 2010   #32
ionbasa

Windows 7 Ultimate SP1 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote:
maybe a ssd Raid 0
Raid 0 makes little sense for SSDs that are used for the OS. It will increase the data transfer rate but that is relatively irrelevant for the OS. And since a Raid does not improve the access time, you will hardly see a difference in performance compared to a single SSD. I would save the money for the second SSD.

This is, however, different if you do a lot of data operations and have a Raid setup large enough for that - e.g. video editing (provided your CPU can keep up with it).
What I meant was that I hope to see a full switch to ssd in the future, but if you are like me and cant aford a 512Gb ssd but scince I am enthusiastic about them it seems that 2 256Gb ssds in Raid 0 would be benefitial if you do alot of IO operations or need the data space.
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01 Dec 2010   #33
Dave76

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by FliGi7 View Post
I was all about the SandForce controllers until I saw the Access Times as compared to the Intel SSD's for cheaper. It's the trade-off of much higher throughput with that controller, I suppose. I just don't think a typical desktop machine would benefit as much from the throughput as compared to access times. That's just my subjective opinion, though.

Couldn't agree more.

That is the key to SSD feeling of speed and performance.


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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by whs View Post
Quote:
maybe a ssd Raid 0
Raid 0 makes little sense for SSDs that are used for the OS. It will increase the data transfer rate but that is relatively irrelevant for the OS. And since a Raid does not improve the access time, you will hardly see a difference in performance compared to a single SSD. I would save the money for the second SSD.

This is, however, different if you do a lot of data operations and have a Raid setup large enough for that - e.g. video editing (provided your CPU can keep up with it).
What I meant was that I hope to see a full switch to ssd in the future, but if you are like me and cant aford a 512Gb ssd but scince I am enthusiastic about them it seems that 2 256Gb ssds in Raid 0 would be benefitial if you do alot of IO operations or need the data space.
That's some very expensive data storage space.
A 500GB SSD is about $1400+.

Most of your personal data doesn't need SSD speed, just keep it on a spinner.

Get a small OS and app SSD, store the data on a HDD.

When 500GB SSDs are $100 or even $200 then ya, why not.
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01 Dec 2010   #34
toughbook

 
 

My test results are showing the Access times at 4K is 0.216ms. I can't remember what my Intel was. This is with my Corsair SSD.
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01 Dec 2010   #35
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

For the price, the V series Intel drives are really excellent SSDs. Especially for a budget drive.

Its downside is its only 40GB. but I have found thats more than enough space for Win7 and all my programs.
Just keep all your user DATA on spinners.

In fact, i like it much better than my Vertex Drive. it just feels snappier ruinning Win7 x64.
Even though the Vertex has faster Seq. read and Writes.
I use my Vertex for a few Games.

Both are good drives, don't get me wrong. I just think the the Intel is the better drive if you can by with, and do not mind, the 40GB size. Most should have no problems be just fine with it though.
Disabling the Hiberfile will free up a lot of space too, if you do not need the feature.

WEI, for what its worth, gives a 40Gb V series Intel a 7.6 score.
The 30GB Vertex a 7.2
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01 Dec 2010   #36
mickey megabyte

ultimate 64 sp1
 
 

yes, i'll probably be ordering one tomorrow

they're also giving away a free game to sweeten the deal here - which happens to be my fave buying site anyway, and i do like games. it's a shame that games are so big, with all that multimedia content goodness...

i'm going to have to seriously lighten my new install, as i've currently got 45 gigs in my steam folder alone! which is making a bigger drive look more attractive - why hasn't intel/oc.uk got a 60 gig drive available? oh i wish i had more money!

i'll be following Kari's advice re moving the users folder which will lighten the load a little, i don't use hibernation, and i guess it's time to read seriously all the other ssd threads...oh, i love upgrading!

at the moment i'm using a 1tb spinner, and i'm wondering how to best use it in conjunction with the ssd. obviously i'll be keeping my data on it, and big bloaty games - yes i'm looking at you, dirt2, with your near 11 gigs etc. it's the big games that will mostly benefit from an ssd, but also use it all up!

is it best to keep my big hdd all as one big terrabyte partition, or do you recommend i keep my large games, movies, and other data on seperate partitions? is there any real benefit to keeping big movie files on its own partition with bigger data blocks/allocation unit sizes? what about swap file? it will be easier to defragment smaller partitions, but is it really worth it?
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01 Dec 2010   #37
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

There is really not much to learn with Win7 on the SSD since the installer does most for you (I assume you do a fresh installation with an installation disk- else, if e.g. you go via an image, things will be a bit more complicated). Just a few practical tips:

a) physically disconnect your other disk(s) when installing Win7 on the SSD
b) do not activate this Win7 before you have not deactivated the one you have now (assuming they come from the same source)
c) get rid of the hiberfile with the cmd command powercfg -h off
d) check that Defrag is disabled. It should be by the installer
e) make sure the Superfetch is set on automatic - I know some people recommend to disable it, but that is counterproductive.
f) leave the whole system on the SSD. Do not move system files - even not the page file which you may however reduce in size (e.g. 2GBs) if you have 3 or 4 GBs of RAM.
g) move all user files to the spinner - the games (or most of them) too.

The above you should be able to do in 30 minutes - and off you go to the wonderful world of the SSDs. Good luck.

PS: I would partition the 1TB spinner. Much more practical, and safer too.
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01 Dec 2010   #38
mickey megabyte

ultimate 64 sp1
 
 

vielen dank, whs - that answers most of my questions - unfortunately i can't rep you on this thread...

yes, i'll be doing a clean new install, using a thumb drive.

i've got a lot of ripped movies on my spinner (love that word) as big (2 gig +) mkv's (made from my paid-for dvd's) - is it really a good idea to have these on a separate partition formatted with a larger allocation unit size?

also, can you deactivate a technet activation? how? i plan to image my new activated install onto my spinner asap...
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01 Dec 2010   #39
Wishmaster

Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit
 
 

While its true that games load faster on a SSD, I have found that overall theres not that much of a difference of performance increase to justify it.

And by that I mean, a large majority of games do load a level a bit faster. But once loaded, theres no performance gain to be had as its usually running from memory anyway.

However, there are a few games it does make a difference. Many with large open worlds that are constantly hitting the HD for more information on the fly.
For example, Obl;ivion, Fallout 3, fallout NV and other games that work similar in fashion.
These do see a noticeable performance gain during play.

On mine, I have my Intel 40GB with Win7 installed on it and all my apps.

I have a 30GB Vertex I install certain games too.

I then have a WD 640GB spinner that has 2 partiions.
1 at 555Gb thats just for Games, and the second partition just where downloads go.

Then I have a 1TB spinner where all my media goes (Music, Videos, Pictures Etc)

Even though the large majority of stuff is on spinners, theres still an overall performance gain.
Even Games load a slightly faster it seems, perhaps because the drive is never busy untill a game is launched.


Its your call, but IMHO, a large portion of Games do not gain enough performance to justify using space on a SSD.
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01 Dec 2010   #40
whs
Microsoft MVP

Vista, Windows7, Mint Mate, Zorin, Windows 8
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by mickey megabyte View Post
vielen dank, whs - that answers most of my questions - unfortunately i can't rep you on this thread...

yes, i'll be doing a clean new install, using a thumb drive.

i've got a lot of ripped movies on my spinner (love that word) as big (2 gig +) mkv's (made from my paid-for dvd's) - is it really a good idea to have these on a separate partition formatted with a larger allocation unit size?

also, can you deactivate a technet activation? how? i plan to image my new activated install onto my spinner asap...
I am glad you can use the information - and don't worry about the reps. I appreciate the thought.
Unfortunately I cannot answer your last question - I have no clue.

PS; for imaging you may consider my favorite: Imaging with free Macrium
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