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Windows 7: Windows 7 to be shipped in Europe sans IE

09 Jul 2009   #131
Zidane24

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post
I think we all get the drift on that when simply looking at how long this has been going on to start with. The plight against MS could also apply to other softwares as well as other OSs when you stop and think that some of the more popular programs will have and note the "will have" a few more features then the next.

Does that mean one software company that sells a dvd burning program with a few additional features is next in line? "Gee? if you include the photo snap option in ... blah blah blah we will fine the living daylights out of you!" bunk from EU!

The best description probably goes as "software dictatorship"! The big fuss is over one company and "their own" operating system that "just happens to be" note widely used being the target for all this. You don't the EU screaming at the ubuntu people for including FireFox or the Knoppix people for including the Konqueror and Ice browsers now do you?

"Well that's iopen source!" No the EU just can't make money through fines from the open source people! But behind closed doors in the EU a subtle whisper goes: "and yes with all the money MS has we can dip our hands into the till... by fines and other..."
I agree whole heartedly...The fact that Microsoft has deep pockets is why this is continued so far. The EU only hurts their people through this money making agenda of theirs. If it really was because "they violated their rules" than where is the ****ing lawsuit against Apple or anyone else who bundles apps with their software? Till I see one...**** off EU.

PS I am not a MSFT fanboy...but really this whole battle going on because of a damn browser being included is ridiculous


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09 Jul 2009   #132
Zidane24

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by petrossa View Post
No luck there mate. We've just had elections and center/right won overwhelmingly.
Kroes belongs to the liberal corner, so......
unbelievable...they must do other things correctly or the alternative choices weren't that great. Was the election public?
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09 Jul 2009   #133
Night Hawk

W7 Ultimate x64/W10 Pro x64 dual boot main build-remote pc W10 Pro x64 Insider Preview/W7 Pro x64
 
 

Even with IE included in Windows one question still comes up! What do you see when going to install yes easily install another browser on Windows?

The answer to that one as well as when first opening up WMP is quite simple. "Do you want ? to be the default ? browser?, media player?"! If you install that media player with a big "I" in front of the T for unes that will also ask if you want that to be the default player.

So I guess the question is where has MS monopolized Windows by simply including IE when you can simply right click on the IE icon to send that on it's way and run any other Windows compatible browser by choice? Simply because it's there?
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09 Jul 2009   #134
z3r010

 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane2424 View Post
I hope that if any reelection occurs than it ends with the door hitting you in the ass on the way out
The problem with that is that the EU is a bureaucratic dictatorship with only a puppet Parliament to give it the look of democracy.
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09 Jul 2009   #135
petrossa

vista x64/ win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane2424 View Post
I agree whole heartedly...The fact that Microsoft has deep pockets is why this is continued so far. The EU only hurts their people through this money making agenda of theirs. If it really was because "they violated their rules" than where is the ****ing lawsuit against Apple or anyone else who bundles apps with their software? Till I see one...**** off EU.

PS I am not a MSFT fanboy...but really this whole battle going on because of a damn browser being included is ridiculous
I don't know how often i have to post this:

MS has been determined to be a monopolist. They fought it in court and lost. So to all intents and purposes they are by EU rules a monopolist.

As soon as Apple or anyone else becomes a monopolist and decides to use it's position to leverage it's own products will be treated likewise.

a) The fines levied are redistributed over the memberstates per ratio of their contribution.
b) The courtcases have to be paid out of the regular EU budget
c) Currently the EU budget hovers around 1% of the total BNP of the memberstates, so it is about 113.000.000.000 euro.
d) presently the EU has around 500.000.000 inhabitants against 300.000.000 in the US making the EU a very important market indeed.
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09 Jul 2009   #136
petrossa

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Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Zidane2424 View Post
unbelievable...they must do other things correctly or the alternative choices weren't that great. Was the election public?
Yes, very. Even far right got more seats, left lost a lot.
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09 Jul 2009   #137
petrossa

vista x64/ win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by Night Hawk View Post

So I guess the question is where has MS monopolized Windows by simply including IE when you can simply right click on the IE icon to send that on it's way and run any other Windows compatible browser by choice? Simply because it's there?
No it's not a question anymore. The courts have ruled that the EU was right in deciding MS is a monopolist.

So thats a fact of life MS has to live with or as others suggested take it's business elsewhere.

But if i was shareholder i would kick out the Board immediately if they where to just throw a major part of their revenues away.

How things will turn out in the end, we'll see. The EU has no timelimit on when to impose their decision, but when it is it will be retroactive.

I'd seriously tone down if i were MS
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09 Jul 2009   #138
petrossa

vista x64/ win 7 x64
 
 

Quote   Quote: Originally Posted by z3r010 View Post
The problem with that is that the EU is a bureaucratic dictatorship with only a puppet Parliament to give it the look of democracy.
Yep, truer words were never said. But, they are there. I voted NO on the EU constitution as did the majority of French,Dutch,Irish.

Still it's implemented in stages which are not put up for vote by the member states.

But as the saying goes, if you're being shaved better sit still
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09 Jul 2009   #139
z3r010

 

At least you got a vote
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09 Jul 2009   #140
Night Hawk

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I guess some people don't take that into account. Not everyplace had/has that option and will suffer through all this. But the EU fails to take into account the time when Windows lacked a browser any browser before all this originally came up. Simply go back before the 9x family to see that.
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